Speakers that sound like Thiels on steroids.


I am carefully searching for replacements for my beloved Thiel CS2.3's. Only 2 problems I have with these speakers currently are that they begin to compress when peak spls rise above 108db and I would prefer about another 10hz in bass extension. My goals are transparency (can never have enough), speed (rim shots to blink for), (visceral) dynamics, focus and bass extension down to at least 27hz, coherency, top-end extension and air, and the ability to play to 110-115db without compression. Priorities are listed in order so I'll compromise on the spl first. Budget is up to 20k new or used. Best candidates I've heard so far are Wilson Watt Puppy's 7 for about 22k new. The WP's have the bass extension and the ability to play loudly with clarity but I prefer my Thiels' midrange, soundstage and focus. Overall the WP's are fine but they sound like a rich man's Thiel and for 22k I expected them to kick dirt all over my speakers (they don't). Other candidates I have not heard and am interested in are Thiel CS3.6 (or their replacements, whenever they come out) and Piega C10/C8 ltd. Speakers I have auditioned and am not interested in are B&W Sig 800's or anything else made by B&W, JMLabs Utopias and Mezzo Utopias, Revel Salons and Studios, Maggies, Proacs, Martin Logans, Thiel CS6 and CS7.2.

All suggestions are appreciated.
jazzdude
I would say higher end Revel...they are very revealing like THiels...but with outstanding bass qualities...they are pricey...but then again...thiels aint cheap either...
I couldn't agree more. For I have loved Thiels, and when I was ready to buy my dealer asked me to demo Revels. I was immediately hit by how much of the Thiel clarity they had but with a much better sound stage. Much more robust mid range. The term Thiel on steroids certainly is appropriate. I have the Studios. The Salons are excellent as well but not necessarily better. Large capacity.
Save yourself a ton of dough and check out the Legacy Audio Focus 20/20 ($6400 retail new). You may be pleasantly surprised.
You should add the InnerSound Eros Mk-II or Mk-III versions to your list. They play louder than the Martin Logans and are more coherent and efficient. They have pristine detailes highs, extended and articulate bass, and better attack and transient response than most speakers I have heard. Definitely in your price range.