Streamer upgrade - best path forward


I’ve been running an NAD C658 for about 2 years now. I was using Amazon HD initially, but dropped them after several months due to inconsistent playback. I have a decent collection of ripped (FLAC) cds that I stream from a local USB drive connected to the C658. Recently began streaming Quobuz, and I’m really enjoying it so far. I will likely do a full year subscription with them after my trial expires. That’s about the extent of my digital interests.

I also have a decent sounding (to me) older Pioneer Elite dvd player that I play newly-acquired music or guest discs on from time to time. For vinyl, I have a separate phono pre that I run into the C658. So essentially the C658 is being used as a streamer, dac and a preamp.

The C658 has performed admirably during time of ownership, but I want to up the ante in terms of streamer and dac. The onboard dac has reasonable stage width, but not very good depth at all in my setup. The clarity and instrument separation are also decent, but I have definitely heard better. I find very confined in that I cannot run a separate dac with the C658. I use the dirac function (full spectrum), but I can honestly live without it. I find myself disabling it with more and more frequency as time goes on.

I have some additional closeted components that I can push into duty to serve as temporary preamp and dac so my plan is to upgrade the streamer first.


So my question to anyone willing to take a crack at this would be what is a good option for improving the streamer portion of the C658 within a budget of $3000? That would include the streamer itself as well as any LPS, switches, etc. I don’t want to go too far down the exploratory/DIY rabbit hole. I’ve already done the Pi and Volumio thing, but found the hardware rather finicky, slow and frustrating. BluOS is pretty nice, but it has many limitations when it comes to playlists. I am not at all interested in Roon.

I will likely want to output to USB which my old dac/preamp supports. Other associated gear in the chain is First Watt J2 running Zu Druid V. Subs are REL B2. The temporary dac/pre will be an Emotiva Stealth DC-1. Analog is Sutherland KC Vibe outputting for a Pioneer PLX1000 with Nagoaka MP150.

From time to time I sub in Philharmonic BMRs and a Jolida/Black Ice Audio Fusion 3502S. Just for a different flavor.

I have cross shopped most of the usual suspects, but I’m honestly confused at this point. One thing I am certain of is that I want the ability to upgrade the unit itself or the ecosystem in which it sits as time rolls on. The major downside of the C658 is lack of options outside of what it was originally packaged with. I’m currently intrigued by both the Innuos Zen mk III and the package of the Exasound C62 dac and Gamma server, but I’m uncertain how that would function without Roon.

Thanks in advance. 



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Thanks for your suggestion. That does look nice and feature rich. Not much information about the dac from the Moon site. I’d really prefer separates so as to upgrade/tweak over time.

MOON Tutorial – MOON MiND Controller (App)




scroll,down farther down to the specs and CLICK on the extended narrative. also click on each panel narrative,


I had separates with the BRYSTON BDP network player feeding a BRYSTON BDA DAC. …. high quality build and great audio performance…for sure. I did have to get  a high-end CARDAS CLEAR USB cable from the player to the DAC to plat at its best . I would caution against drinking any KoolAid that preaches ordinary quality cables with high-end digital can pass muster. 

- BUT ,,,

the MOON app destroys the clumsy BRYSTON ‘Net controller interface with the BRYSTON dodgy and cryptic interface and long user learning curve . . Not even close. It was the prime reason I started looking ….EZ and intuitive use of the MOON MIND2 app and its streaming QUBOZ as well as ripped stored files via USB or NAS provides file management ease that is paramount in choosing a suitable. unit

with MOON’s 1 yr/ 100% or 2yr/ 75% trade in credit , the upgrade itch is nicely managed, as is the obsolescence hedge in lockstep. 

- MOON app is much better intuitively, much faster, and surprisingly sounds better in my $50,000 system …. and is miles better in terms of EZ PZ flawless workings. Who knew?

fwiw ….

I think you’re on the right track with the Innuos Zen Mk3, and here’s a nice used one that’ll save you around $1000

For a DAC this is a great R2R NOS DAC (that I own) along with its companion Pisces DDC that’ll let you take advantage of the DAC’s i2S input that takes the sound to a much higher level.  I also included the HDMI cable I use for the i2S connection — shorter is better and this one is available at 6” and works really well for under $6.  Just some options to ponder, and best of luck.