subwoofer comparision


I'm planning on buying a sub for HT but would like to get a would really like to get something positive out of it for music too. I guess what I'm trying to find is the best musical sub that will still do a great job in home theater.

I know all these subs are great, so I'd like to hear from people that have done head to head comparisions or have owned more than one of them. They will paired with Soliloquy 5.3 mains.

The players are:
Soliloquy S-10
Talon ROC
ACI Titan II
any SVS
any M&K
any REL
Paradigm servo-15

I believe the Soliloquy would be a good choice for music, but I'm afraid that would be a significant compromise for HT.
gunbunny
to some of the comments above - the strata my brother-in-law purchased was fully broken in, as he purchased it used. (definitely the way to go w/rels - he *was* able to resell it w/o taking a big loss.) i'm sure he tried it crossed over quite a bit higher than 23 hz, as he wanted to run his proacs thru the x-over. and, his room, while small, at ~14x16, is a bit larger than 10x12. i know i tried it at ~60hz, running my thiels thru the x-over, in my kitchen system...

i've had success using my marchand/vmps system as high as 100 hz (they're presently set at 60hz), and this allows the main speakers relief of the need to play that last octave or so, making them all the more transparent & detailed.

i'm sure that stentor is a lovely sub, but at $4k usa prices, it is just not competitive, imo. i know these are better deals in the uk. i am a notorious cheapskate, but when it came to subs, i bought brand-new: both vmps larger subs, *and* the marchand x-over. one adcom gfa555 was bought new years ago & pressed into service, the other i bought used to have a matched pair. the total expenditure, including both amps, was still <$2.4k... if you went w/the vmps original subs and a single stereo amp (all that's needed, really, except for *really* big rooms), you could bring it in for ~$1500. that's for *two* subs. you could even save more money, as both the vmps & the marchand are available as kits...

gunbunny, while powered subs may seem less complicated to set-up, in the long run, separate sub/amp/x-over ultimately gives you more flexibility, imo, but hey, it's your call! :>) as far as two vs one, i *strongly* encourage you to get two, especially since audio is a priority. better soundstaging, easier integration w/room *and* monitors, less thd at any given spl, w/two subs. as far as getting a pair of *lesser* subs, you may want to consider getting a better single sub now, and adding a second, as funds permit.

regards to all, doug s.

Sedond we all know how much you like your set up since you post in every Sub Woofer topic presented. If you do not like the REL line then this is fine but please do not hand us this garbage about the REL sound.

Gunbunny, make an effort to hear the REL Storm III. I own two of them, and it is one of the most astonishing equipment upgrades I have ever made sonically.

BTW, I am presently set up for LP's only.

David
When it comes to music you are always bettr off with one good sub rather than two average ones. I have to jump on the Rel bandwagon since I have a stadium II. I have tried numerous subs in my system some were good for movies but I always was unhappy with their musical performance. They would sound great on one song & stink on another. The Rel took some time to properly dial in but for music & movies I have never had another sub that was even close to it in performance. Larry W
thanks for the replys, I've got more time to decide than I had planned on since serious car problems came up yesterday... 7K miles after warranty!

Like I said earlier, I'd like to audition the ACI Titan II-LE too. I wonder if anyone carries REL near Austin, TX?
Sedond, it doesn't sound like you guys set it up correctly to me. I use a Strata III with Thiel 1.5s in a 15x17' room and I can make the drywall shake if I want to. I have it crossed at 37Hz for the speaker level input and 80Hz (preamp's only option) for the LFE. What Thiels do you have? How does removing 50Hz from their bandwidth help their transparency and detail? Jim Thiel is squirming in his seat right now. Also, aren't REL amps made by B&K? They're definitely high current like the Adcom. Sounds like quality to me.

While you are more than entitled to your opinion I would love to hear from another person with the same sysptoms as yours.

leo.