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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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theaudiotweak
2,797 posts
 
Geoff

None of your stuff has an exit point. All the internally self generated garbage is left to fester and interfere with the music..Your brain is stuck and so is all that noise ...a polarity of shear and not the good part. Tom
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geoffkait
23,365 posts
 
@theaudiotweak,Your memory is completely shot. We’ve been over all of this before. I can always tell when you’re lying. Your lips are moving. Don’t you guys have someone on board who can pay attention? 

Turn on, tune in, drop dead.
glupson
7,842 posts
 
theaudiotweak,

"...for resonance to vacate the parts or the chassis. Ours do and furthermore they reject energy from below that attempts to re enter either by hard contact or by reflection onto the Audiopoint."
Are we talking about "decreasing" and not "eliminating"? To someone not experienced with either of the approaches, it reads, probably wrong, as "eliminating" which seems fairly unbelievable. Maybe "decreased to a really low level"? 
mitch2
3,969 posts
 
This is really interesting stuff...." two ears and one mouth for a reason" .....I am not quite there, is there a connection with eating more fish? If God wanted us to eat more fish, wouldn’t he have given us two mouths and one ear....or does he want us to hear the fish too?

Regarding springs, Geoff sells springs but so does MG...or Harold, or @jf47t . However, it seems Tom sells special springs that Geoff and MG do not understand. Robert doesn't sell springs....hmmm....There are springs on my SUV but I can still feel road vibration. If I use Tom’s springs will that make my SUV a hovercraft? This is all a bit confusing but I am paying attention so I am sure I will understand when we get to the punchline.
audiopoint
208 posts
 

Geoff,

Why anyone would wish to drive the circuit boards and everything else with 60 Hz vibration is beyond me. If it doesn’t make sense it’s not true.

Our newfound technology is scalable, increases sonic in comparison to old school techniques and can adapt and serve multiple purposes in advancing the art of sound reproduction and also serves several purposes in other industry applications. The fact that you are unwilling to audition or believe something other than isolation exists because it violates the LIGO agenda, we cannot help you.

Wait for reviews to come out on the new studio environment where there are no aftermarket acoustics required as you tend to ignore the existing reviewers’ true findings, customer’s truthful testimonials and refused free auditions over the past few years. In addition you cannot figure out, relate to or simply ignore our explanations so again we cannot help you.


To use the LIGO analogy if you ground the surroundings to the mirrors you see the vibration not the gravity waves. Follow?

We understand your point on LIGO however LIGO has no sound and nothing to do with our research, development and/or product functions. Stay locked in your way and forget about music and sound evolution because if you dare go there, you might “hear” what it is we are advancing - rapidly.

Robert


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