Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Huh,

I have not checked my favorite thread in a day or two and there is jf47t back. And again, portraying Michael Green as an everyday sadist. For Heaven's sake, stop it. It is really ridiculous. Just stop right there. Talk about music, CDs, soundstage, weather, enjoyment in life, anything, but stop trying to defend Michael Green. It is insulting to even read such incompetent attempts, or maybe defamation of him is your real intent. Stop it, it is painful.

As far as hearing goes, it is not a skill. Hearing is a sense that most of the people are born with.

For the last time, results of my tuning/tweaking experiment are relevant, real, and are the only relevant ones I know. Get used to it. Whoever does anything similar can hold her/his results as true and relevant.

prof,

The reason answers are not coming may be a bit more complex than just there being no known answers. This is not the place to chat about them, though. Your questions are perfectly reasonable, but your expectations are not. This thread has always been interesting for any reason, but sound reproduction. Nothing to be learned about that.

Are there people on Tuneland?
jf47t,

Glupson only here cause he "is wasting time"
True. No hidden agenda. I admitted from the beginning.

Now, what’s up with 25-year-old pictures? I refuse to believe it is true. If audiopoint were correct about that, Michael Green would have been 33 on those pictures.
"Well many reasonable people do and have disagreed with prof and glupson as you can read for yourself."
It would be acceptable and even welcome to disagree. It would, in healthy environment, enhance the discussion and bring new ways of thinking. However, I am puzzled by many reasonable people who have disagreed with prof and me. It is fine, but how come they have not done it publicly?