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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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grannyring
My system is posted on Tuneland. I genuinely wanted to learn more about this tuning thing. Thus far all I have learned is that Tuneland is a very sleepy place and no ideas or help thus far. Heck, I tried to purchase some tone-wood footers and could not even get that done. Seems little talk and no walk. Not impressed. I am most open minded and like to learn how others obtain great sound. Seems Tuneland has nothing to offer but vague language and strangly cluttered listening spaces.

>>>While I have not gone to Tuneland so can’t comment I do think that these days Audiogon is very active compared to most if not all other audio forums, with a wide range of topics and deep analysis of just about anything you can think of. Many audio sites that were once very active are dead or dying. There is no substitute for Action, gentle readers. All you often need to learn how to obtain great sound is right here in your own back yard. Playing hard to get ne’er won fair maiden.

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prof
That’s too bad grannyring. You certainly struck me as sincere in being open to Tuning.

Though I doubt anyone who visits Tuneland will be much surprised. Michael Green’s posts on Agon foretell what you would likely find there. It’s long on talk...but with very little substance or precision. Mostly just self-promotion posts by MG from what I can see.

>>>>Translation - There no measurements. AND if there are any measurements they’re not to within 0.1 dB or 1 Hz or out to 3 MHz or whatever. Whatever that would even mean. In other words, Substance = measurements. Precision = measurements. Measurements, you know, the things for people who can’t hear and Doubting Thomases. Or Doubting Glupsons. No, glupson I don’t mean the hearing you’re born with.

The demands for measurements and proof continueth unabated, gentle readers. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck...oh, never mind.
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glupson
grannyring,

Wow. So simple and so to the point.

>>>>There is an excellent joke there but I shall spare you, gentle readers.
jf47t
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"Thus far all I have learned is that Tuneland is a very sleepy place and no ideas or help thus far."

Really? I’ve let MG know. I see something different on TuneLand. In the last 24hrs for example I’ve seen posts from Malaysia, Singapore, Norway the US of course and other parts of the world all doing the tune an interacting with Michael and each other.

theaudiotweak
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You let MG know while brushing your teeth and looking in the mirror...
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