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The Palladian-A step beyond

The new cartridge from Acoustical Systems may finally be the LOMC to fully realise the theoretical advantages of the genus.
And convince those long-suffering audiophiles to whom the 'modern' MC presentation has been anathema to 'live sound'....that the realism of vintage LOMCs like the SPUs and FR-7 series has finally been recaptured 👀
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bluewolf
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@fleib , 

Despite any history you might have with Dertonarm AKA Dietrich Brakemeier, I think this cart should be judged on its merits. You might have a hard time convincing Acoustical Systems cartridge owners that their ears are deceiving them. The rest is history or conjecture.

I appreciate this comment as these are the words of an open mind. Here's the thing. I am not a geometrician and I do not know the geometry behind UNI-DIN. But what I do know is that there must be excellent geometry behind UNI-DIN as otherwise it would not work. It is impossible for it to produce the sound I am getting if it did not work.

I can appreciate people wanting to discuss and debate technical aspects that they see are behind designs. But these discussions cannot change the actual performance that products are producing. I do not need to know how something works to know that it does work.

All the best.
fleib
1,124 posts
 

Bluewolf,

***I appreciate this comment as these are the words of an open mind. Here's the thing. I am not a geometrician and I do not know the geometry behind UNI-DIN. But what I do know is that there must be excellent geometry behind UNI-DIN as otherwise it would not work. It is impossible for it to produce the sound I am getting if it did not work. ***

Seems to me that "it" didn't produce the sound, the cartridge did. 

Out of a mound of bull manure, a prairie flower grows.  Would an orchid survive under such conditions? 

Wouldn't know, I'm not an orchidophile, but I like the way they look.

Best regards,

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bluewolf
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@fleib , Firstly, please accept my apologies for trying to be friendly. It is evidently something beyond you at this stage of your human development. My mistake. Hopefully friendliness will develop in you later.

So you are arguing over the cartridge making the sound rather than the alignment. Oh please. Of course the cartridge makes the sound. What a brilliant deduction. My congratulations to you. You have now understood the first step in getting excellent sound. Let me now see if I can show you the second.

Let me try and make this very simple. A badly aligned cartridge, however good, will not produce the quality of sound I am hearing. You like word pictures (and oh such colourful ones), so maybe you will be able to understand this exceptionally difficult second step with a word picture. The Mercedes F1 car, produced the best results this season delivering 1st and 2nd in the drivers championship. And I hope this does not complicate this picture too much for you, these cars did require excellent drivers. There is no doubt that it was the exceptional quality of the car combined with the excellent quality of the driver that delivered this best performance (car+driver = cartridge). But if Mercedes had used terrible wheel alignment the exceptional quality of the car and driver would have delivered the worst result (alignment = alignment). All clear now?!

But credit where credit is due. You are amazing in that you can comment so much on something you have zero experience with, UNI-DIN.
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bluewolf
66 posts
 
The “Mental” Simulators (coming to hijack a friendly and informative thread near you) - a Play in 1,318 Parts

The sun is shining and everyone is happy

@halcro : I have just taken the Mercedes F1 car out on the track and it is fast and beautifully balanced. I have never experienced anything like it.

bluewolf: I have had exactly the same experience with the Mercedes F1, set up as per their proprietary MERC-DIN alignment.

Black threatening clouds move in and block the sun

Flash, flash, followed by lightening and thunder and the sound of air evacuating balloons

@rauliruegas : the Mercedes F1 cannot be good. I know that without driving it or knowing anything about it because I don’t like the designer and I don’t like the cars he use to like before he designed the Mercedes F1. And bluewolf cannot judge good performance because I read a review of a motorbike he didn’t like and I think it is great, and he likes exactly what the F1 designer likes as he owns some of the cars the F1 designer use to like. So the Mercedes F1 cannot be any good.

@fleib : I have never used MERC-DIN but I have used a simulator that does not take into account the geometry behind MERC-DIN and I can declare that MERC-DIN is crap.

Intermission!

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nandric
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The suffix ''DIN'' by UNI-DIN refer to (German Industrial Standard)

which assume 57,5 mm as inner groove limit. Whatever the distance

to the spindle this part of the record is much more difficult to trace then the other radiuses. Because of customers complaints about this fact manufacturers moved this distance to 62 mm. Depending on one's LP collection one will own diffrent ''distance''

 to the spindle by different production years, etc. As I understand Dertonarm's intention he wanted to improve (stylus) tracing in this part of the record radius. Alas my mathematical skills ar similirar to those of bluewolf with whom I obviousy have much in common.  So I have no intention to mess with the involved geometry.

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