Thiel 2.3 vs 2.4 the real difference

Cinematic_systems
"Name one of those media outlets that ever said anything negative about any Thiel speaker or any product they reviewed."

Oh come on. While reviews seldom trash a product you can tell when they really like a product vs just saying it is pretty good. The Thiel CS 2.3 reviews have been raves and some even mention the tendancy toward brightness and need for great care in setup. We are getting no where. You hate the speaker and loads of people don't. Let's move on.

Tim

Cinematic Systems, could you describe the measurement technique used to find that "the CS2.3's are +10dB by the time they get to 20khz and +15 to 18 dB from 1 khz depending on the individual speaker" ? Were these your personal findings, etc.?

McTeague the question is again, should I upgrade? HELL YES!, just like the last thread. Defend your choice all you want,

Let's not forget the 100 or so people I witnessed laughing or giving me that look like they stepped in something after listening to the CS2.3. Actually most people hated that speaker and having to demo it hundreds of times over three years and moving it around to get it to "sound right". You represent the miniscule minority that bought the CS2.3.

Bufus, the measurements were done properly no worries, the speaker has a peak in the treble, this was constantly addressed by Thiel in the development of the concentric driver. Some upgrades were not announced or offerred as such. Funny thing is none of you guys ever measured the speaker so its not like you have data to the contrary just some supposition that I did something wrong. Its a bad speaker with many problems, CS2.4 corrects them all. My whole point buyer beware.

Mr systems,

Now that you have switched to calling me by my last name I guess you are irked. My point has always been that your experience is the one that seems out of step. I HAVE measured mine and do not have the peaks you suggest. Perhaps only me, 6 or 7 reviewers and most of the people posting to audioreview managed to get the only good versions of the 2.3 and all yours were defective. I do not deny your tests, just maintain that you seem to be the odd man out here. Check Thiel's site and lookup the online reviews. Many have charts and only Sterophile shows the climb in the treble, and their chart has different look than all the others they have. Where is the room averaged response with the blocky line?

Tim

Tim

Depending on when the review was done will determine the response, heck if your CS2.3's are new then some changes could have happened after I stopped selling Thiels to inch it closer to where the CS2.4 is.

But one constant was a -4/-5 dB dip at or around 1200hz-1500hz and a rise of +4-+5 db through the 4K range which is a near +10 swing. in a narrow range of frequencies.

Last time I measured the CS2.3 was 2000, so that left 2 more years for changes.

Plus you are discounting the negative reaction of many, many clients. They listen they tell me what they think. What about them? That has a great deal to do with my stance, they weren't always so diplomatic as reviewers.

Tim, I'm not upset, and I realize I'm out of step with common lore on the speaker. Item: 1117244877 Take a look at a speaker I built and how it measures. I'm just an amateur, weird guy out of step with the world. But just so there's no misunderstanding what my expectations are.