Tube Pre/ Class D Amp - Who has done it?


Open forum for those who have actually tried this.  Really curious to know who has been happy, or maybe unhappy, with a tube preamp driving a Class D amplifier?

Of course, tube pre with a solid state amp is a classic pairing for hard to drive speakers, especially ESL's.   This is a little different.   I'm really curious to know what pres and Class D amps have had great synergy.

erik_squires

I have had my Canor Hyperion P1 Pre paired with most of the AGD Monos and also a VAC Master paired with AGD Duets specifically driving some Cantons. I have also used NAD and Primare Class Ds with the Hyperion.  All of the combos were excellent.  

Like any preamp, amp combination you need to look at the impedance, gain and voltage to make sure the equipment is matched well.  If you have a good match, it will sound great assuming that sound profile meets your needs.  

I’ve had terrible luck trying to get anything resembling music when pairing Class D amps to my tube preamp. I tried the PS Audio M700 monoblocks and the Orchard Audio Starkrimson Ultra. The M700 monoblocks sounded so dry and brittle I literally felt repulsed after listening to it, I couldn’t sell that thing fast enough. The Starkrimson was a definite step up in clarity...but was not to my taste. Admittedly I prefer the sound of tubes as I like bit of coloration. I dont like dark, dry or neutral sounding gear. But I haven’t given up. Excited to try Atma-Sphere Class D amps and the AGD Audio MKIII. I have a feeling they might change my mind.

@alexbpm

Interesting observation. What is your preamp and other components? Otherwise it is hard to put your comments in context. Thanks. 

 

@alexbpm

I dunno, it sounds like you never had a good Class D experience, which is your own experience but it doesn’t necessarily say anything about Tube pre amps with them.

Was there a solid state preamp you found worked really well?

For several years, I've enjoyed a PS Audio BHK preamp (which uses tubes in the input stage) along with a pair of M700 monoblocks. They were driving Thiel CS2.2 speakers, and they sounded great. Before I used the BHK pre, though, I had to be careful with the Thiels sounding a little too bright on certain recordings or with hyper-detailed cables.

A couple of months ago, I decided to try a different Class D amp, specifically the Atma-Sphere Class D GaNFET monoblocks. I've been really impressed with the transparency and mid/high frequency smoothness of the A-S amps, which has been achieved without exaggerating sibilance or harshness. The soundstage width and depth has been amazing, with great layering and separation of instruments and singers. The A-S monos also provide solid, impactful bass, although break-in on the lower frequencies has been a bit slower than for the upper frequencies.

I've found that that gain for the A-S monoblocks has been a bit lower than the gain of the M700s, but this has not been a problem and I'm now able to use a wider range of volume settings on the BHK preamp. Fortunately, the A-S amps are extremely quiet even at higher volume settings.

An even more recent change in my system has been a change from the Thiel 2.2s to the PS Audio Aspen FR10 speakers. The FR10s and the A-S monoblocks are sounding great together. The level of transparency without harshness is amazing, which speaks to the synergy between the FR10's planar magnetic tweeter and midrange combined with the speed, low distortion, and finesse of the A-S GaNFETs. Recordings are sounding very real and engaging. And my new A-S/BHK/FR10 combination can "rock out" at fairly high sound levels when needed.