Verdier and Amazon

Well if you happen to like buying tons of upgrades, to get the thing going finally, be my guest.
It is no coincidence that the owner of Linn- (Ivor Tiefenbrunn) drives a Jaguar XJR tuned by Wilkinshaw !
This man does a very healthy business selling so many boxes.
I wouldn't want to buy a design which was so severely flawed in the first place.
Ofcourse the LP-12 is a very long time around turntable.
you can upgrade an old 68 Mustang for sure. does it make it a better car ? yep. so does the LP 12 no doubt about that.
The Verdier table was unaltered from the very first prototype for more than 20 years. it doesn't need upgrades.
Could you name one product which is basicly the same except for a little cosmetics ? that is very rare in our 'product of the month' society nowadays.

A big heavy table surpresses the music ?

Hmm some people come up with the strangest statements.

anyway, if youre happy with a 'bouncy bouncy' LP12 fine.
Keep it groovin'.

Yes, Tuboo,

right direction.
I listened to so many LP 12's and I wondered so much about their ( not existing ) "qualities".

It is a kind of "philosophy" with this stuff.

No wonder, when someone gives up and is going to buy a CD Player.
These always works with their first setting.

Linn products are great for dealers.

There is always something to sell.

I think extremephono is saying that he prefers sound of the Linn, whether or not more detail is extracted by another table.

Hi,
I think what I implied:

1) The system synergy is important. Linn+Arkiv+Linto, even with no modification, can sound better than a mis-matched, but more expensive setup. 80% of people could have screwed up in mix-n-match. How many times we bought a wrong interconnect or component?

2) Some people are afraid to mod their equipment (but I personally only do modifications that can be reversed, don't chop up your equipment, and make sure everything can be retracted). Modification easily add more performance at less cost. The original manufacturer have to mark-up their cost x5-x10 at the retail level, so they have to design their product to fit a price point, compromising performance. For example, the expensive Sony SCD-1 has a cheap carbon resistors for the analog output, uses 5535 opamps to get balanced output, etc...

3) I failed to point out that I can mod the LP12 or DIY for less than the cost of an used cartridge. To beat the result, need something like SME20.

I personally believe that a SME20 or Simon Yorke may be the ultimate machine. For some reason, I don't like Verdier's magnetic bearing, but that's just personal, but I think to accomodate his magnetic bearing, some compromises such as the tolerance of the bearing has to be increased. To me, mechanical ground is very important to PRAT, and magnetic bearing has no ground.

If you would fully understand the PLatine's magnetic bearing, there would be no guess about grounding and tolerances.
The Platine does have a ball bearing on top of the spindle, this is not to support the platter, but to eliminate the possible acoustic interference and so axial movement.
Because of this support, there actually is electrical ground path.
The tolerance of the bearing is to a very high standard, and is lubricated by means of oil, which can be filled into the spindle galley thru the platter.
The way to really understand the Platine is only done by close examination on the concept.
Saying things like 'i don't really personally like the Verdier bearing' is not based on facts indeed.

But then again, everybody has the right to think whatever.