You are probably reading a room notch at the 200Hz mark. The mid-woofer probably has a resonance point right around the 80-100Hz area, which would pull it down some there, and the passive radiator kicks in to recover it down to 40-50Hz. The website says the PR is tuned to 35Hz, so it rolls off relatively fast below that. There are also room effects likely in the other frequencies you are reading also.So you are probably reading combined effects of the room and the problems with the resonant spike and the transition to the passive radiator. Don't get too excited about it. Many speakers have behavior like this when placed in a listening room. Remember that most speakers are measured in an anechoic chamber, and not in your room. You always have to tweak the installation to get the best results. You might try crossing the sub out at a 6db slope at 80Hz, and see if you can stand the seam at that frequency. This should boost the midbass to cover the most egregious area, as far as SPL goes. You'll probably wind up with a little peak at 50Hz, but that shouldn't hurt too much. Whether it integrates well sonically with the Extremas at that crossover freq is your decision.
Weird Bass Reponse on my Speakers.
I just got a Talon ROC 2002 subwoofer dedicated mainly for 2-channel system. I tried to setup crossover point by using Radioshack SPL meter to find out what frequency that my Sonus Faber Extremas started to dip. I got weird results using Stereophile Test CD 1 (1/3-octave warble tone at -20dB). Here they are(SF Extremas only no subwoofer).
Frequency----------------SPL Meter Reading
1KHz--------------------->70 dB(reference level)
200Hz-------------------->62 dB
160Hz-------------------->63 dB
125Hz-------------------->58 dB
100Hz-------------------->52 dB
80Hz--------------------->53 dB
63Hz--------------------->60 dB
50Hz--------------------->70 dB
40Hz--------------------->61 dB
31.5Hz------------------->55 dB
25Hz--------------------->52 dB
20Hz--------------------->below 50 (unmeasurable by RadioShack SPL meter)
From the readings above,SPL readings started to dip at 200Hz(62dB) until it reach 52dB, which has the lowest value, at 100Hz and climbing up to 70db(reference level) again at 50Hz. And then I got lower dB as the frequency went lower.
So, I set the crossover frequency of my sub at 40Hz. and the SPL reading for lower-bass after combining subwoofer are:
(Upper Frequency responses are still the same)
50Hz---------------------->70 dB
40Hz---------------------->70 dB
31.5Hz------------------->70 dB
25Hz---------------------->68 dB
20Hz---------------------->54 dB
Here are my question:
1. Is the dipping between 63-200Hz and going up at 50Hz considered normal?
2. Is there anything wrong my speakers? Could it be other tube gears or my room that make cause this problem? (My listening room has no left wall at all)
3. How's your opinion on Lower bass responses after combining the subwoofer?
I'm pretty happy with the result musically but I think mid-bass responses might still be the problems for me.
My equipments are:
CDP: BAT VK-D5SE
PRE: BAT VK-5i (w/ Amperex 6DJ8 orange globe tubes)
AMP: BAT VK-60
Thanks for looking!
Frequency----------------SPL Meter Reading
1KHz--------------------->70 dB(reference level)
200Hz-------------------->62 dB
160Hz-------------------->63 dB
125Hz-------------------->58 dB
100Hz-------------------->52 dB
80Hz--------------------->53 dB
63Hz--------------------->60 dB
50Hz--------------------->70 dB
40Hz--------------------->61 dB
31.5Hz------------------->55 dB
25Hz--------------------->52 dB
20Hz--------------------->below 50 (unmeasurable by RadioShack SPL meter)
From the readings above,SPL readings started to dip at 200Hz(62dB) until it reach 52dB, which has the lowest value, at 100Hz and climbing up to 70db(reference level) again at 50Hz. And then I got lower dB as the frequency went lower.
So, I set the crossover frequency of my sub at 40Hz. and the SPL reading for lower-bass after combining subwoofer are:
(Upper Frequency responses are still the same)
50Hz---------------------->70 dB
40Hz---------------------->70 dB
31.5Hz------------------->70 dB
25Hz---------------------->68 dB
20Hz---------------------->54 dB
Here are my question:
1. Is the dipping between 63-200Hz and going up at 50Hz considered normal?
2. Is there anything wrong my speakers? Could it be other tube gears or my room that make cause this problem? (My listening room has no left wall at all)
3. How's your opinion on Lower bass responses after combining the subwoofer?
I'm pretty happy with the result musically but I think mid-bass responses might still be the problems for me.
My equipments are:
CDP: BAT VK-D5SE
PRE: BAT VK-5i (w/ Amperex 6DJ8 orange globe tubes)
AMP: BAT VK-60
Thanks for looking!
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