What if a high end speaker measures really badly?

@botrytis How do you account for the Golden Eared professionals who are responsible for the great recorded works. Are they just listeners, like any other? Did they take a standardized listening course? 

Yes, hearing is a talent. I have known and read of producers and engineers for many years and none of them relies on measurements or room equalization. In fact, many of the greatest Pop recordings were monitored by Yamaha NS-10s. A terrible sounding speaker with harsh anomalies in the midrange. How di they use those anomalies  and why did they prefer them? 

And if you don't like the Devore O's, many do. They are a very successful speaker. Do you have the magic golden ears now?

Sometimes I would rather hear a lot of poeticisms about why a speaker sounds great, rather than hear a bunch of pretenders spout off about graphs and charts that they are not equipped to interpret meaningfully. It's a misleading pretense and not in any way science related, or more importantly, pertinent to the art of speaker design. The only participant in this thread who has the expertise to speak to the science is Audiokinesis. And I am noticing that he shines a lot of insight, but has nothing negative to say. I really appreciate that. 

I would like to recommend that you all spend some time listening on your own and figure out what appeals to you. Then report on what works for you and what you like and notice. Do that for many years and I believe you can find a very satisfying experience. The graphs, the science that you do not fully understand, and the pretentious pseudo-engineer platitudes may make you feel like an expert, but your aren’t.

@helomech  so you believe that Harmon and Toole don't have any bias, after all they are competing in the industry. All the Toole listening test I have read about place one speaker in the same position not taking into account the design of the speaker.

Sometimes I would rather hear a lot of poeticisms about why a speaker sounds great, rather than hear a bunch of pretenders spout off about graphs and charts that they are not equipped to interpret meaningfully. It's a misleading pretense and not in any way science related, or more importantly, pertinent to the art of speaker design. The only participant in this thread who has the expertise to speak to the science is Audiokinesis. And I am noticing that he shines a lot of insight, but has nothing negative to say. I really appreciate that. 

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It’s quite apparent from his posts that Audiokineses doesn’t have a strong grasp of speaker science. So that leads me to presume you do not either. 

Read, learn, then read some more, then test the theories for yourself. 

The issue with ideal measurements vs actual performance is that many listeners who design these products actually possess little experience and knowledge themselves. That, and/or they have a convoluted perception of what’s “good” based on their years of accumulated hearing damage (hence the rising treble or “V-Curve” we often seen in graphs). Many DIYers like Troels Gravesen possess far greater knowledge and experience than most of the commercial product designers. And it’s not often you’ll encounter an experienced DIYer who aims for anything less than good linearity and low distortion.