What is the science behind audiophile fuses?


There were many threads on the topic of "audiophile fuses" on this forum, and I sure don't want to open old wounds and trench warfare. The fuse on my preamp blew suddenly two days ago, which prompted me to search for a replacement. That's when I came across the term "audiophile fuse" and the fact that they demand far-out prices. Deeper curiosity brought me to several other fora, where users posted glowing praises about their Zero fuses and other exotica. Now I am a scientist, but not a physicist or electrical engineer: so please enlighten me! How can a fuse have an audible influence on the signal, when the signal does not even pass through it? How can a fuse be "directional" when it deals with alternate current? I mean, if I recall my university physics, a fuse is basically a safety valve and nothing more. Am I completely missing an important point here? My scientific field is drug discovery, and because of this background I am thoroughly familiar with the power and reality of the placebo effect. I that's what I am seeing here, or is it real physics? I need objective facts and not opinions, please. I really appreciate your help!

 
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                           A rewind:

       Anyone needing a rationale for experimenting with new fuses, cables or various, "tweaks" in their system and/or feeling dissuaded by the Church of Denyin'tology's antiquated electrical doctrines: take heart!

        Many new electrical facts have been established in the past 100 years, lending support for the audible differences between them.

         I couldn't find anything like, "Updated Electrical Theory For Idiots", but- did manage to find something resembling a cartoon, that even a child could follow.  It neither mentions AC/sinusoidal waves in wires, nor does it go into the photon propagation of electromagnetic waves.   It does, however, emphasize/demonstrate how Electrical Theory has progressed, since the 1800s:

              (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJqykotjog)

        These next two presuppose a certain amount of knowledge, in the field of modern Electrical Theory.    Click, "more" in the first link's third answer, to get its entirety.    Note how it mentions the OLD, "... commonly held misconception that the flow of electricity through a wire resembles a tube filled with ping pong balls...", to which the Denyin'tologists fervently adhere: 

https://www.quora.com/Are-photons-involved-in-all-forms-of-electricity-for-example-when-it-flows-through-wires?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa     

                                            and:

        https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=2348

 

                                     per Feynman:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram#Representation_of_physical_reality


        It's an established (measured) fact that an electromagnetic wave's propagation and speed, are dependent on the materials, of which the transmission line (cable) are made (ie: Dielectric Constant/permittivity).     The better (lower) the Dielectric Constant the better the flow and the longer it takes for that material to become polarized.     One reason anything that comprises an RLC circuit (ie: capacitors, cables, PC boards), takes time to, "form", or, "break/burn-in".*      

                                  *Some things that make the Denyin'tologists apoplectic:
   https://resources.pcb.cadence.com/blog/2019-dielectric-constant-of-pcb-substrate-materials-and-signa....
                  The, "conductor" acts as a waveguide (especially, see section 5.3):
https://unlcms.unl.edu/cas/physics/tsymbal/teaching/EM-914/section5-Guided_Waves.pdf

          Even the most inane (regarding the Sciences) must admit; braiding and twisting wires eliminates/reduces EMI interference.              
          That must lend credence to various cable geometries.

          That better dielectrics enhance the propagation of electromagnetic waves (ie: your music signal), lends the same credence to choosing cables with better materials (ie: Polypropylene, Teflon, air, etc).

           Of course: anything the Church of Denyin'tology's popes can't fathom, they'll summarily dismiss.

     

         As simple a device as a fuse is: it still carries a sinusoidal signal/voltage, ALWAYS from source to load.

                                                 NOT back and forth!

         Also (as mentioned above): any fuse acts as an RLC circuit, the 'C' of which will be determined by properties of its wave guide's/conductor's surroundings (ie: glass, air, bee's wax, ceramic, end cap materials, etc).

          Any commonly drawn wire will exhibit a chevron pattern in its crystal lattice, so: why not "directionality" and why OHNO Continuous Cast, single crystal wire sounds better, to so many?

 

                   Stated above are scientifically tested, measured and proven facts. 

                                  There is no "contest", or "dispute" involved.

 

         The OP mentions Maxwell, but: obviously they have no understanding of his theory and possible ramifications as regards the above.

  

          Anyone that feels compelled to harp on not hearing any differences, is obviously too obtuse to understand the term "variables" (as frequently mentioned) and worthy of disregard.

  

          My only goal in these threads has ever been to encourage those with a mind to experiment with their systems, based on the latest (20th/21st Century's) findings of ACTUAL Physics/science and ignore the Cargo Cult's incessant runway building (objections, convolutions, deflections and obfuscations).

 

                                                       Happy listening!

@rdwill -

What about better fuses in speakers??

I see all the talk about amplification power sourcing but I am more curious about high end fuses inside of speakers. Seems like the signal would interact more in those instances.

          When I owned my various Magnepan iterations; my first tweak was always bypassing the fuse holders.

                     The presentation = cleaner/better defined.

          Given the 30 day return policy of some fuse manufacturers and the very slim chances of blowing one; why not try better fuses in your speaker systems, for yourself?

                             Have fun and happy listening!

@tonywinga I’d be afraid to pop in some random fuse into the Pass amps. You’re brave for trying it out and I think you got off easy. The only time I tried to upgrade a fuse it was in the McCormack DNA225 amp about 20 years ago. I used SR fuse, don’t recall which, but I remember the difference was extremely small. That was the only time I bothered with it. It wasn’t worth it then and it’s not worth it now. Especially when dealing with some random fuse “manufacturer”. All you’re accomplishing is introducing a risk.
I’m not denying the difference a fuse makes - all I’m saying is it ain’t worth it at all. It’s a BS tweak. Replacing a generic $3 outlet with a higher quality one makes more difference. 

People overestimate the engineering and design behind the fues the OEM puts on their amp.  First fuses can't protect everything inside your amp, otherwise, the fuse would be practically the only thing that fails.  but in my life I've seen a lot of equipment fail and almost never does the fuse blow.  the latest example is the DRO (Digital ReadOut) on my milling machine.  It died 3 weeks ago. Opened it up to find a burned circuit board, and a fully intact fuse.  I just finished installing a new one  BTW, it was the Cadillac brand of DROs, similar to PASS for a power amp, not a boutique like some of the even more expensive amps.  

Input fuses are required by law (but not always) and expected by consumers.  I'm sure many engineers add the fuse last, look at the max expected current, add some margin via "engineering judgement" or "rule of thumb", and put the fuse size on the drawing.  If during development and testing the fuse blows, they increase the size of the fuse.

Now sometimes fuses are added to protect specfic components.  for example sometimes tube amps have a fuse to protect the output transformers from some specific failure--likely a failure that they observed during testing.  and of course they have incentive to protect from this failure tor reputation but even more so to protect from expensive warranty repairs.  Fuses in the signal path are a horrible compromise and I wouldn't buy and amp with one.  OTOH, some will have fuses on the output of the rectifier.  I have tested these fuses with slugs and found very little if any difference.  These fuses may be extrememely oversized.  for example, if you have .001 amp normal current but 10 amp fault current, you can put a 1 amp fuse in.  It is 1000 times larger than normal current and doesn't limit current but small enough to blow on a fault.

So I just want poeople to understand that fuses aren't a magical component that keeps your compenent from ever failing or that it is a carefully engineering precision device.  

I've also speculated that audiophile fuses are more carefully designed to blow at the extreme top end of the range.  suppose you have a 2 amp fuse with 10% accuracy.  The off the shelf fuse may blow at 1.8 amp, the audiophile fuse may blow and 2.2 amps.  this extra margin will come with some current carrying capability that could sound better. 

I encourage anyone contemplating an expensive fuse to do a 60 minute test (on a good weather day) with a copper slug replacing the fuse.  The slug is the best that can be achieved, no fuse at all.  You'll get an idea what improvements are possible.  and when you get your audiophile fuse installed you'll know if it's closer to the original fuse or the slug.  Now some components don't benefit from a slug/upgraded fuse since their power supply architecture results in a circuit that is not limited by the fuse.

NOTE:  if you do the test, recognize that you have no protection during the 60 minutes with the slug, but the chance of a failure in the 60 minute test is infinitesimally small.  that said, don't do stupid things with the slug installed.  Have the amp set up and playing, make no changes other than replace the fuse.  Don't even uplug and replug any cables.  

Jerry