After all this discussion of power, I bought a Bryston BP-17 cubed preamp. I'll get it next week. This discussion has convinced me that I have enough power from my power amp. So I decided to see if the much newer BP-17-3 can outperform the aged Levinson #38s. I hope so.
What Power Amplifier Should I Buy?
I am looking to increase my system power. I currently am using a Bryston 2.5B cubed, which is specified at 135 Watts/CH. I am using Revel f208 speakers crossed over at 120 Hz to a 15" HSU sub. The f208 speakers have 88.5 dB sensitivity (Amir measured 88-89dB SPL at 1W into 8 ohms). I sit about 7.5 feet away from the speakers and listen up to 92 dB SPL, but mostly stay between 80-90 dB SPL at my listenin g location.
I have not had power issues. I've never seen a clipping light. I just want more oomph. I've never had a power amp with more power than the 2.5B cubed.
My budget is about $5K. I have been looking at some used 4b cubed amps.
My preamp is a vintage ML No. 38s. Digital from Bryston BDP-3/BDA-3 combo. Analog using Koetsu RS and Shelter 901 cartridges into an SUT (20x) followed by a very vintage Paragon System E used as a phono preamp (I have fully repaired this preamp, particularly the power supply).
I like the sound of the 2.5B cubed. I had a Cary 120 tube amp for some time, but grew tired of the heat and the continuous maintenance, including the insane prices for tubes. I did not experince that great "tube sound" that others rave about. I sold the Cary and went back to the 2.5B cubed.
Will the 4B cubed disappoint?
What other amps should I consifder, new or used?
Thanks for your help!
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I'm not sure if anyone is still paying attention, but... My time with the BP-17 has come to an end. I could not get rid of the sibilance that drives me crazy. The ergonomics are OK, but nothing like the Levinson 38s. I've listed it, but not on Audiogon yet. Now I use my old, old Paragon System E as a line preamp and a phono preamp. I still use the 38s, but now it is relegated to volume control because it has a remote. The Paragon does not. This is the best sound I have gotten so far. I have rebuilt the Paragon PSU, replacing all components except the transformer, so it should be good for a while. The Paragon is a tube preamp with six 12AX7 tubes. I've got new tubes (JJ). It was sold in the late 70s through the mid 80s. I bought mine new. I'm finished with this quest. Although I have not found the Grail, I am quite pleased with the relics that I have. I've firmly decided I don't need an amp with more power output. Gotta go buy some records. My gear search has ended. |
Your Bryston 2.5B cubed specs show: Power Output (per channel): 135W @ 8Ω | 180W @ 4Ω However, Stereophile F208 review here suggests you need more current:
and that there was plenty of bass. Therefore a more powerful amp with adequate current is likely better than adding subs Generally, a speaker rated at 8 ohms only hints at being average to easy to drive, while a 4 ohm is harder. But a further look into the frequency vs impedance/phase test/chart of the F208 reveals it needs more power |
Thanks for reminding me about this. I've seen the impedance plot on ASR. There is a dip to 3.7 ohms at about 100 Hz and 3 KHz. I also measured the voltage into the speakers while I had the SPL at the listening position using pink noise. I found that I needed about 3 V, which is about 1 W for 8 ohms and 2W for 4 ohms. I concluded that I have enough headroom to allow for a little higher SPL and for the low impedance at the above frequencies (100 Hz goes to my self-powered sub). |
Just looked at Bryston's published spec. It is rated at 180 W into 4 ohms. So it is rated at 4 ohms. However, I was cautioned that if the impedance was below 4 ohms for a large part of the spectrum, especially in the midrange, there could be problems. I have never seen any of the overload lights turn red, although maybe that doesn't mean much. I really haven't experienced anything audible or measured any parameter with REW that would indicate problems. Am I thinking properly here? |
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