Which area of components to spend the most $ on? Boy I was wrong all my life!


I have been an audio junkie for about 25 years. All those years, I have read plenty of discussion posts and recommendations where to spend the most money on. The majority, even the experts recommend to spend the most money on speakers. Up to as high as 60% of the total budget.Example: CEO of PS Audio-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwL7vPkPhg
I believed this all my life. Today, my eyes are opened. My total budget is about $15K.Before today, my system was:Speakers-Revel F36 Concerta 2 (For the money, this is the best speakers I’ve heard. I like it more than my previous Dynaudio Contour 30)Integrated Amp-Marantz PM-10 (Class D, balanced, 400wpc at 4ohms)CD Player-Oppo UDP 205 & Marantz CD 6005 (Some of the best in class)Line conditioner-Furman Elite PFi 15Cables-Kimber 8TC Speaker Cables (Sorry, not a cable nut. I’d rather spend money elsewhere)
I upgraded my front end CD player to... Marantz SA-11S3. I was BLOWN away! This is the greatest upgrade I have ever heard in my life. For 25 years, I was taught to spend the most in speakers. Sorry! It’s the FRONT END! The best source you can afford. The purity transcends down the river. I am blown away by the sheer improvement in detail, clarity, depth, the air around the instruments.
My philosophy has changed.
skimrn
For low budget audiophiles like this none-too-well-heeled orchestral musician, I only spend my big bucks on MC cartridges and a good preamp (right now, Benz Micro Wood SL and Lukaschek PP1 MC preamp). A well-maintained Thorens with these components sounds very good. Only the slightest hint of IGD, on well loved records.
A fancy valve amp with some of those newly-introduced models of tubes would be nice, but I have a mortgage to pay in an expensive town, so vintage tube and SS amps it is, for me.
FRONT END ALL THE WAY, BABY!


Speakers  are critical since they create by far the most distortion 
up to 5% or more depending. On volume, in your case you bought
 a noticably better piece of electronics , it isnot the speaker
spending more was. A bad idea . In your. Case it’s you are limited 
in $$ monies to spend ,  you. Could still make great strides in sonic improvement if you had say another $3k to buy something 
more. Expensive ,better parts quality.  Myself have Everything modified ,and being frugal  on wire quality is For sure holding  back your system . Kimber8 tc is Avery good start,average cable 
middle grade cable you can go much better .i myself make a far better cable then cables 5x better minimum  then. My cost.
cables have a Huge markup .  For example I went toVH Audio 
small gage solid Teflon  Litz -6-9s ,pure Copper wire around $25a foot, cotton insulator core, you have to unstrand  cut and terminate it . I did speaker cables, interconnects,speakers 
and electronics , a Night and Day improvement , also inside your Revel speakers the Xover parts are not even average ,I owned several of their speakers Rebuild the Xover with Qualty parts maybe $1k your speakers will be drastically improved for a $2-3k
investment you get at least 4-5x more in quality that you would
have spent if buying commercially . I owned a Audio store 
less then $25 % actually goes into the product ,meaning unless you are spending well over $5-10 k on each piece of gear inside 
decent but average quality parts. That is why Dan Modwright was 
so successful rebuilding and putting highquality parts in key area.
everything is built toa price point , I sold several $$ brands well. Known and shocked at the level of capacitors resistors,wiring and power supplies used. Most people have no idea for they don’t 
look inside. Keep this in mind ,if you or a friend is handy and can solder you can build thingssuch as cables in a day . Theselitz speaker cables ispent maybe $500 with connectors best hands down several of my friends Big name $2k + cables ,without all the fancy jackets I saved over $1500 alone just in speaker cables 
and having this wire quality throughout the whole system creates
a system Synergy that brings it to another level in musical integrity.
sometimes it’s the little things that do count , even replacing the cheap steel fuses which are a ahuge bottle neck justlook up the 
metal resistance index copper,and silver 5x more conductive ,far less resistance meaning much lower distortion at each fuse junction,after a 75-100 hr runin. These are all facts just read themsny reviews and we did many blind tested comparisons .
i am just telling the facts ,it’s your money, why give it away 
if you can dotings on your own . I even build my Zobel networks 
for all the high  frequency noiseover 10khz for littlemoney a noticable speaker enhancement, Everythung counts ,
and clean your connectors st least 1x a year on everything I use 99% Isopropyl alcohol ,Craig good foam swabs and what I feel the best enhancement ,long term protectant  Stabilant -22 which protects over 12 yerars if not disturbed has won a ton of awards 
even great on a Vacuum tubepins it is a super conductor  that
is not conductive until a charge is applied ,not like a messyconductive Silver Paste thst has a short life.
Sources do matter, but I still believe that 60% should be spent on speakers.

I would prefer a set of high-end speakers fed by a cheap phonograph or junk CD player over a very expensive high end source unit fed into lousy, cheap speakers.

Even the cheapest DA converters can sound good on fine speakers.  A $200 Audioquest DragonFly Red fed by a $30 Computer CD-Rom on a computer can crush some very high-end transports.  Moving up higher to a Pro-Ject or Mytek DAC can yield even better results, still well below the cost of a set of high quality speakers, thus emphasizing my point that the bulk of one’s budget needs to be spent on speakers.

Hooking up the speakers with cheap lamp cord will also yield outstanding results.

The above examples are real world results, not smoke, mirrors and snake oil.


This is a great thread, thanks OP! It seems like every time I upgrade a component I perceive a meaningful difference (good or bad!). In a haphazard way (which is fun, it’s a hobby after all!) I get a better overall system, through trial and error and by focusing on pieces recommended by reviewers, these forums, and design engineers I admire (such as Nelson Pass, John DeVore, Cees at Metrum Acoustics). Synergy, as said above, is key, but only discovered by trying so many permutations! And how do you know you’ve finally arrived?!

Point is that in doing it this way, the % spent on each category is in constant flux so for fun I calculated what it is at this moment. I buy mostly but not always used gear which can skew it quite a bit (for example I got a great deal on a wyred4sound stp-se stage 2 upgraded preamp for a 3rd of its new retail), so I calculated it both ways based on new price as well as what I paid:

New pricing: speakers-37%, amplification-39%, source-19%, cables-5%

Used pricing: speakers-29%, amplification-34%, source-29%, cables-8%

Accounting for used pricing brings the percentages closer to parity, not sure if that is interesting or not, but there it is!

Ron