Which has a greater effect on music,int.amp or CD?

Excluding speakers and IC's, which does for pairing purposes? For example, if I like warmer sound but with detail (like some rock), do I go with a warm, musical cd player or integrated? Both be too warm? I have been thinking about the following possible combos, any experience or thoughts:

Arcam Diva A75 Int. OR
Audio Refinement Complete Int.


Arcam CD72T CD OR
Audio Refinement Complete CD OR
Ah! Tjoeb 4000 CD

I have heard the Arcam's together, too dynamic for me. Will be hearing the ARC's this weekend in NY.

I was thinking the Arcam int. with the ARC CD or Ah!, OR
the ARC int. with the Arcam CD.

Speakers to follow. (PS, right now for speakers I have Sound Dynamics RTS-3's and Paradigm 5SEMK3 floors.)

I agree with Sugarbrie - start with the amp. I'd be careful buying an amp before deciding on speakers, but if I had speakers and wanted to choose the next biggest factor, I'd focus on the amp. -Kirk
Get the CDP that has the tone you want, and then the amplification that doesn't ruin its strengths. This has advantages, especially upgrading advantages, over getting an amp that replaces the sound of the CDP with its own, although this may work. EX. I have a new friend that replaced her Arcam 72 with a $3k Ayre CDP and was astonished by the difference being passed through an $1100 LFD Mistral integreated. And I too have witnessed this, coincidentally enough with another Mistral.

**Please describe your listening experience with the Arcams, including more detail about being too 'dynamic', and the speakers and other gear you may have listened to that was not 'dynamic'.
You all are lost in audio dreamland. The very best a playback system can do is replicate what was recorded on the source material.

Of course the speakers are the prime component for that purpose. Followed by room acoustics. Then the quality of the source material itself. The rest follows. The mystique of cables is at the bottom of the list.

So why does everyone spend so much time, effort, and expense, on the everything else. No component, cable, or tweak will improve the speakers, or the room.

And of course all you can do with the mostly substandard recored material is get speakers that will reveal the truth, and a room that does not keep you from hearing it, is throw it away --or put it on the preowned market and let some other sucker have it.

Ironic, isn't it. If you do not have truely hi-fi reference recorded material you will not know if the speakers are any good. And if the speakers are not any good, you will never recognize material with sonic excellece.

If you ever consider converting, email me and we can talk about some solutions.

Otherwise, continue to argue about the various qualities of perferred distortion, and which that produces what goes with whatever other. And of course do it in a every snooty fashion.
I guess I just wasted all that money buying my high-dollar analog rig and OTL amp setup. If I had only known that getting a CD Walkman, a Technics receiver, and a pair of Sound Labs U-1 would have sounded better, I could have saved myself alot of trouble. ;^)
Thanks, Homedesign, for a newbie you sure are a know-it-all. After you've been doing this for 30 years, come back and talk to me some more.
What does "warm" mean? Is it an absence of detail, an absence of high frequencies, or something else? It seems to me that "warm" and "detailed" are opposites. Joel