Who says cables don't make a difference?

You can blindtest  some little change....You cannot blindtest total transformation because it is plain for anybody to see(hear)...It is no more  useful for anybody ....

Blindtest is there to validate (marketting practice) or invalidate (debunkers) some small variation like with a cable...

No one blindtest the acoustic of the same room before treatment and after it.,..

No one blindtest the electrical grid of a house before or after it is controlled...

No one blindtest the audio system before and after his many resonant parts are under controls, even if it is easier to perform than for the 2 others embeddings...

My point is many changes are so evident than blindtesting them has no interest, except for those who sell some product and those who debunk some product...

Cleeds, it wouldn’t matter what you say, he’s done it better. He’s obviously the only true expert. He’s another kenjit. In his world at least, his word is final. For the rest of us though, we could actually have a meaningful convo if he would stay away from a subject he’s made very clear about his bais towards and let stop trying to destroy ever thread on the subject as he has blatantly tried to do. No wonder an older account t he had was banned. Brings nothing of value to the discussion, only goal is to tear down others thoughts. 

I am sorry I just ran over the speedbump, but the topic of this thread is, "Who says cables don’t make a difference?"

After 9 pages, that still seems to be lost on you. Who says? I say (and others), but most don’t have the experience and hence the confidence to back that statement up, and qualify it as required.

Cleeds was just attempting to invent a psychological theory (where the opposite is usually true), as opposed to considering that perhaps, just perhaps, expectation bias is a bigger issue than most want to believe.


Who says cables don't make a difference? ..... is this not a call out to challenge the notion that cables do make a difference.  Otherwise just make a post called, "Love fest for cable differences", and be honest.

roberttdid

You just raised pedantic to a whole new level.

If you think the presentation of facts is pedantry, then you’re confused. Here’s an example of pedantry:
roberttdid

Let me type this slowly so that it is totally clear. I have run many blind tests ...

Do you see the difference?

It’s hard to put bias into a test process that involves nothing more than swapping cables ...

Actually, it’s very easy to introduce bias into a test itself. There are mountains of information on this and I’m surprised that you don’t understand that. (I suspect that you do understand the nature of biased testing, and that you just prefer to not have to address it.)

Remember what is being tested. What is being tested is that the person making the claim of (usually) a readily apparent audible difference is able to actually perceive in a blind situation the difference.

Again, you are confused. A proper double-blind listening test does not test the listener, it tests the device under test (DUT). You cannot scientifically test for two things at the same time.

If you want to test a listener, engage an audiologist. That’s what they do.

If you want to make your blind cable test even more meaningful, you’ll want subjects that think cables make a difference as well as those who don’t think cables make a difference. And if you’re really ambitious, you’ll also include some listeners who don’t care - or have no opinion - one way or the other. The last blind test that I participated in years ago did just that, and it made the results even more interesting.

@roberttdid if you are really serious about conducting some blind tests, please provide us with some details about your plan.

The best tweak I have done recently is my periodic ear cleaning the other day. No audiophile should let that slide. At least as good as the right set of wires and ear cleaning kit is very inexpensive at your local drug store.