Why do tube amps often subjectively sound more powerful than SS ?


In my case, VAC Avatar SE integrated 60 watt/ch in ultralinear mode feels like double the power at least. Same speakers, same source, same cables and power cords.

inna

I'm with @noromance .  Tubes are more awesome.

You guys know I try to understand everything going on in audio, and I don't always achieve that.  And understanding tube power vs ss power is one of the things I want to understand better.  

I have very successfully driven full range 96dB 4ohm floorstanders with a 2 wpc Decware EL84UFO.  

I'd like to compare a first watt sit-4, but there is very little chance I would leave tubes.

Jerry

 

Mostly due to soft clipping if so.  “Subjectively” is the key word.  Check actual SPL with a sound meter to know for sure. 

I’m not really sure why that is. But my tube amps have huge power supplies and oversized capacitors. That doesn’t hurt.

i tend to find, particularly with lower powered tube amps, the sound tends to be more full and rich sounding and more lively at any given volume level than is the case with solid state.  Solid state tends to sound a bit dead and less engaging which prompts one to turn the volume up more.  That one tends to be satisfied at lower volume levels with tubes, I suspect, makes one feel that tubes are delivering more power than they are actually delivering.  Also, most people don't come close to actually using up the massive "reserve" of power from their amplifiers.  So, something that sounds rich and lively at low power is not disadvantaged as much vis-a-vis much more powerful solid state amps; the advantage of extra power in reserve tends to be more theoretical than practical. 

As long as the tube amp is working at or below about 1/3 or 1/4 of its rated output it will sound sweet and uncompressed.  While that power level might see, really low, it is probably a limitation that is breached for only short periods for most listeners not requiring head-banging levels.

 

Nelson Pass wrote an interesting paper on this and I think this is it.

It doesn't directly say tube amps but rather amplifiers with high impedance.  Worth a read. 

Contrary to popular opinion, I greatly appreciate how much Nelson Pass does for the audio community, and this is an example of why.