Why don't more recordings have soundstage outside of speakers

no false large soundstage created by early reflections, etc.

A rightfully use of the timing of reflections can produce an unusual soundstage but it is related to the way the recording or mixing was made...Active controls is based on the use of the reverberation time and the timing between early and late and even back and front reflections  and their ratio and  the 2 main frontwaves for each ears...

Then it is not a "gimick" nor a "trickery" and it is easy to verify that your room is correctly modified with some other recordings which will not present this unusual soundstage...

No classical recording is always the same and always orthodox...There is some exceptions...

i am  OK and in accord with your 2 posts.... I just wanted to give my take and experience with my own room sometimes unusual soundstage recording dependent...


I enjoy sometimes with some recording the impression to live among musicians on the scene, which event never happen in a concert where you were seated in front of the musicians... If the room is not under control this surround and enveloping experience with a stereo system is impossible even with a recording album which had this possibility in it because of the particular way it was recorded...

Ya got a choice. Ya can have good and accurate imaging, or you can have an artificial and wide sound stage inaccurate imaging. Without those tricks Mijostyn and pragmasi talked about, ya don't get things placed well outside the speakers. Ya don't get that in live music either unless you are sitting first row at the orchestra. Bad place for good sound.

Ya got a choice. Ya can have good and accurate imaging, or you can have an artificial and wide sound stage inaccurate imaging. Without those tricks Mijostyn and pragmasi talked about, ya don’t get things placed well outside the speakers. Ya don’t get that in live music either unless you are sitting first row at the orchestra. Bad place for good sound.

Yes you are right it is a trade-off... Between imaging and soundstage like between Source width (ASW) and listener envelopment (LEV)

But stating a problem is not solving it.... 😁😁




 The goal is optimization of these correlated 4 factors with timing and mechanical equalization with fine tined a Helmholtz resonators grid, tuning the room for the speakers and marking out the flows from each speaker to each ears....They play this double function....


"Those tricks" i used then and of which you speak about after mijostyn, are precise acoustical concepts, acoustical timing threshold optimization and the optimal ratio between late and early reflections for my room....By the way my instrument timbre experience is relatively natural which is a sign of a good acoustic control all along the optimization process...

With this room control my music, with a level which is relative to each recording for sure, is outside the speakers with a pin point imaging, the 2 factors related then in an optimal way....

Your post only reflect like in mijostyn case your lack of acoustic control in your own room  and misunderstanding of these concepts...

Simple...

Begin with this research paper....


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003682X06002118?imgSel=Y

Ya can't solve some problems without sophisticated tools. Your tricks don't solve the problem of why sounds don't naturally extend past the speakers. Nothing to do with late or early reflections. Nothing to do with Helmholz radiators. A link to a paper that is a hypothesis not gonna change the issue. Reflections don't give ya the accurate placement of sounds. It only gives you a false set of sound locations. Ya it may sound wider, but it is not what is in the music.

You are comical....

Helmholtz resonators are the way Helmholtz himself set the subject matter here in science...

"nothing to do with late and early reflections" and tricks....
Control of the timing of reflections is not a trick....

You distorted what i say, i never say that only timing the direct sound and the reflections and controlling their ratio is enough for the imaging experience... Speakers placement and type and volume, cross talk controls, play a role also....i spoke about not only imaging, remember, but also about listener envelopment and HERE timing of reflections play a major role...

optimization between these factors are key of room control....

A grid of finely tuned and located Helmholtz resonators is a scientific tool not a trick...




I recognize you immediately after you said to me that this reseach paper which inspire me was only an "hypothesis".... No one could say that without being a top level digital audio engineer, the same one who already say the same thing few weeks ago about the same paper....

But my friend this "hypothesis" was very fruitful for the "amateur" i am....

Anyway i recognize you my friend , different syntax but same "distorted ways"....I will not argue with you a second time.... I understand your perspective but you are unable to understand mine....

Thanks to you, i created my mechanical equalizer arguing with you....

Then my best to you .....I will drink pu’erh tea to your health.....enjoy educating us your way....