WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE FOR THE HIGH END GEAR ON AUDIO GEAR?

@mahgister , it doesn’t have to be the only proof....but, why wouldn’t a golden ear bat have the courage to pass a blind comparison on a subjective tesimony he provided? For example, i have passed cable comparisons 18/20 to 20/20 times on my rig (highly statistically significant). It helped zip the yapper of a ASR educated moron who lives in my town. He’s a very reformed cat now. Lol

Put your money where your mouth is boys (When the going gets tough, the tough get going!).

I think you have not understood what i am saying ...

First i do not have to put my money where my mouth is ...😁 I dont play game ...

I for example used simple blind test myself ( not double blind) with my small grid of Schumann generators (10 bucks each) and i pass it for my own education and working .. I dont sell this ... And there is no known science about this as much as i know ..

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Second i dont like the expressions "golden ears" not much as "tin foil hat" they are insults ..

Any person with his hearing trained with acoustics concepts in a room by simple experiments learn something ... No need to have "golden ears" ...

There is a big difference between double blind test public protocol and simple blind test in private setting used in your own audio optimization process in an incremental number of steps , with all the time you want , all the repetition you wanted , with the music you pick which is well known to you ( for me albums i know for fifty years) and within an acoustic set of conditions you have put yourself together and which you know very well, all this in complete relaxation...

Any audiophile working on his system use or MUST use simple blind test ...

Public blind test protocols may be interesting and revalatory on some aspects of a product , but they are more a show and very difficult to put in place rigorously and do not demonstrate anything of great value save in a statistical way ... For any individual experience they are useless ... Simple blind test is on the opposite a necessary tool for all of us because very simple to use as a tool ...

I dont sell product, i dont recommend gear and by the way i dont buy tweaks, save at peanuts cost, i created my own devices homemade at no cost and i dont suggest anything as fundamental save acoustics concepts and simple experiments which are more important than any price tag components ..

i dont feel the need to prove anything to anyone... My 700 bucks speakers and headphone system speak for me to my ears ... There is no reason and no no need to appeal to double blind test protocol in room design and for acoustic tuning and tuned devices as Helmholtz resonators and other acoustic devices...

And when i tune by ears the damping load of my speakers and my coupling/decoupling sandwich of materials to control vibrations and resonance i never need a blind test ...😁

When we need your ears , you dont doubt them you tested them by using them , your taught them in experiments even with simple blind test when the work ask for it ... The final result need no public proof ... I dont need to give proof to advise people as i did for years here to study basic acoustics BEFORE upgrading ...( and basic acoustics is not few costly panels on a wall by the way )

 

@mahgister , it doesn’t have to be the only proof....but, why wouldn’t a golden ear bat have the courage to pass a blind comparison on a subjective tesimony he provided? For example, i have passed cable comparisons 18/20 to 20/20 times on my rig (highly statistically significant). It helped zip the yapper of a ASR educated moron who lives in my town. He’s a very reformed cat now. Lol

Put your money where your mouth is boys (When the going gets tough, the tough get going!).

 

 

I thought I did explain the BACCH SP. As for validating other peoples’ experiences that comes down to two things. What is the likelihood of one’s observation to be the result of the actual sound?

@scottwheel , Hmmm, so you are a BACCH guy eh? Well, that lets me know that you have an adventurous & rambunctious spirit (i.e., you like to explore a bit more than these timid purists...Timid’s the keyword here 😁). Well, I do have a BACCH in my 2 channel room. But, it’s kinda weak/flacid/quite lame in comparison to the latest acquisition for my multichannel room. Get the Sony STR-AZ7000ES 360 reality audio receiver...it is truly a breakthrough in audio. f you have difficult speakers, run its preouts into a chunky power amp. It is only around 3k though, i.e., petty change in comparison to what’s being charged for the crap sold by the diabolical dealers around here. Get 2 more speakers for a total of 4 speakers and prepare for audio nirvana like never before...It’s Sony! They have the engineering clout to make every high end manufacturer look like an imbecile at charity prices. You may sell your Bacch real quick.

remember any HiFi is a luxury good to a sealion…. thanks for learning me on the term….

“There is a big difference between double blind test public protocol and simple blind test in private setting used in your own audio optimization process in an incremental number of steps , with all the time you want , all the repetition you wanted , with the music you pick which is well known to you ( for me albums i know for fifty years) and within an acoustic set of conditions you have put yourself together and which you know very well, all this in complete relaxation...”

I use single blind protocols for the majority of my shootouts. Works perfectly fine for their purpose.
 

There is nothing about an ABX DBT that should inhibit a listener from identifying differences. There’s no time limit, no tricks and no agenda other than identifying audible differences as well as they can possibly be identified. There is no hidden agenda in a well designed ABX DBT. They are designed to maximize sensitivity to audible differences. You have A and you have B. You know exactly what A and B are. They are time synchronized and level matched and allow for quick switching. This allows listeners to listen to both as much as they want to identify the unique characteristics then the listener can quick switch to X to detect a shift or no shift. The listener can take as long as they want and focus on each individual characteristic of the sound. Wider sound stage? Easy to hear a shift with a quick switch. Deeper bass? Again easy to hear with a quick switch. ABX is not a weapon. It is a tool that informs us. 

“ Well, I do have a BACCH in my 2 channel room. But, it’s kinda weak/flacid/quite lame in comparison to the latest acquisition for my multichannel room.”

would you have a screen shot of the measurements? You might not be getting sufficient XTC. Is your room lively?
 

“Get the Sony STR-AZ7000ES 360 reality audio receiver...it is truly a breakthrough in audio.”

I am always open to new tech. So far I have been very unimpressed with Dolby Atmos. Particularly with upmixes. Not sure what any tech can do better than the BACCH and the BACCH works with the vast body of stereo recordings in existence. No up sampling. And when I test it for accuracy it is pretty much perfect