Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

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Until audiophiles allow or at least accept blind testing, they'll likely never be taken very seriously.

Back in the late sixties a guy named Amar Bose did some research. He got students to listen to sections of music where some frequencies were removed. His sample group was fairly large and he concluded that you could remove some frequencies and the majority would not notice. That was part of the development for the Bose 901 loudspeaker. 

So his blind testing was flawed in that just because a lot of people could not recognize a difference doesn't mean a difference didn't exist. And let me emphasize this, an audible difference did exist. After reading his thesis, it became clear to me that blind testing is a flawed concept.  

 

Audiophile (as with any ...phile" just means people who are ’emotional’ about a subject, and beyond (measurable) reason. Since there is no objective way to, the door is wide open for ’opinions’.

Other examples are discussions about GOAT (any), cars, etc.

So, the ’audiphile’ "denier" is just as ’right’ as the ’audiophile’ who stipulates that the powerline going or one brand of wall outlet has a big impact on the sound.

If it were a true science, there wouldn’t be any ....phile out there. Just data.

 

@femoore12 

While these kinds of audiophiles exist, an audiophile is actually someone who likes music and music reproduction purest to the source as possible. You are an audiophile and so am I. Just like any other group, we are not as monolithic as we would like to be. We have our fools and our savants. There is no test for membership, it’s quite a large tent 😀 and that’s how I like it.