Why will no other turntable beat the EMT 927?

Having owned many good turntables in my audiophile life I am still wondering why not one of the modern designs of the last 20 years is able to beat the sound qualities of an EMT 927.
New designs may offer some advantages like multiple armboards, more than one motor or additional vibration measurements etc. but regarding the sound quality the EMT is unbeatable!
What is the real reason behind this as the machine is nearly 60 years old, including the pre-versions like the R-80?

Dear @brunorivademar  : Speed stability is only one TT characteristic for a good quality performance but exist other parameters that have in between an intrinsecal realtionship.


You took an untrust information as one of your premises for your statements because in this Agon Analog forum the M.Fremer measurements are not what we all imagine. It's not a trust tool as he showed in the reviews and at the end in that discusiion where he participated he told us that he did those measurements " just for fun " and nothing more.


This is what MF posted:


" I am careful to state that these Platterspeed measurements are for “entertainment purposes only”. All test records are faulty as are all records to one degree or another...""


in that same thread you posted:



With regards to speed stability only 3 tables I believe take the crown.

Rockport Sirius III

Grand Prix Audio TTs

Wave Kinetics Reference   ""


Yes, speed stability is critical in any TT.




@lewm Hi, keep in mind i’m only speaking in terms of measurements, not at all claiming my Thorens is better sounding or anything. I’m also well aware that the Garrards and Lencos are considered superior to the 124. All i’m saying is that with regards to that particular measurement idlers seem to have an advantage because of higher revving motors and thus less motor cogging. I would challenge any direct drive or belt drive turntable owner to share speed deviations and not many would be below +-0.20% Does it make any difference? I have no clue.


@rauliruegas I can assure you the gyroscope inside the Shaknspin Fremmer has been using for his reviews is pretty accurate. I believe he is being cautious because the numbers don’t look pretty.


Speed stability is not the only factor to sound quality, there are other important things too, we can all agree on that. But the only thing I can think the 927 has in favor besides the high torque is the much lower deviation from a perfect 33.33 at ALL times. We are talking micro second to microsecond timing. The bearings are nothing special. No vacuum hold down, exotic materials, airbearings. Nothing! :p

@brunorivademar , what we are concerned with is, in reality pitch stability. Speed stability in the best modern turntables is inconsequential in comparison to surface irregularities, warps and spindle hole eccentricity in records. There is no such thing as "microsecond timing" when it comes to vinyl playback. The medium is far more inaccurate than even mediocre playback devices. If you want "microsecond timing" throw your turntable away and stick with digital. 

As for the superiority of antique turntables? That is total BS perpetrated by people who sell these things for ridiculous money. Then the people who buy them regurgitate the same BS. Hobbyists use to buy these old table because they were at one time cheap and they were better than similarly priced new tables. Then the thing got a life of it's own in current mythology and the price got jacked along with the BS. I would not have a 927 if it were the last turntable on earth. If that was all I could get I'd sell my record collection to people like you and stick with hi res files. 

The model T is of serious historic significance but I would never want to drive one. If an idler turntable does not rumble much when it is new just give it a few hours and it will rumble like an express train. They will drive anyone with accurate bass down to 18 Hz CRAZY. 

@mijostyn Idler drives don’t rumble if you know how to make a few modifications. Btw did I ever say antique turntables are superior? Don’t put words in my mouth. Anyway you are being too passive agressive and I have no interest in engaging with you. Go get your self a cup of tea.