Tonearm microphonics


When I have the volume at my normal level & tap the arm (not whilst playing vinyl) it is slightly amplified... Is it possible to significantly reduce/eliminate this?

Current set up - Roksan Xerxes 20plus, Origin Live Encounter tonearm (thin cork ring at the base) with Lyra Skala.

Apologies if this is a stupid question!
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Dear Bdp24,

Sincere thanks for your excellent and well written post.

I knew that if we “mechanical laymen” poked the problem with a stick for long enough, someone would weigh in with some actual research ;)

I had completely forgotten about the Rock. It is one of the most well-researched turntables in analogue history. If Townsend says that damping works regardless of adverse conditions then that’s good enough for me. :)

Best regards,

Bill.

If I understand how viscous damping works, resistance increases with velocity of movement.  As an example, if you put your hand in water and move it very slowly, there is very little resistance to movement.  But, try to move it fast, and the resistance increases dramatically.  When a tone arm has to make large lateral movements (e.g., off center record) , it is forced to move at a much higher velocity than its normal movement, which is quite slow.  I don't know if this added resistance is enough to create excessive strain on the cantilever or the suspension, but, I would guess that fluid damping is not a help in these situations. 

But, some resistance to movement laterally might be a help when it comes to bass response.  Deep bass is often cut monophonically so that all of the movement is laterally.  If the movement is large enough, the whole arm will move instead of the arm being held steady (stead would mean all of the movement of the cantilever is translated into signal).  Thus, movement of the arm to follow the groove results in reduced bass response.  If damping helps to resist such movement, bass response would be more powerful and faithful to the signal on the record.  The Moerch DP9 anisotropic arm does this by increasing the effective mass of the arm in the lateral plane of movement; I bet damping would provide similar resistance as well.

Dear @larryi : You are rigth about that " resistance " that more than affect the cantilever could " affect " suspension but I think maybe not something to worry about and when this " trade-off ( that we don't know for sure it's a real trade-off. ) goes infavor of that better bass response then we have to go a head with. Remember that the foundation of music belongs to that frequency range.

In the other side the huge forces generated at stylus tip/grooves are of different kind and till we can measure we just can't know if that resistance is really " dangerous ". Could be that's compensated " some way ", maybe not but that kind of damping is welcomed because its virtues in favor of MUSIC.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Dear @atmasphere  and friends: Damping is always welcomed and especially against undamped tonearm designs.

Now, resonat frequency can't change with damping. The only way that that frequency can change is if we modify effective mass and/or cartridge compliance. Of course that if we have that silicon damping type that mantain cartridge compliance out of work then it's another matters but this is almost imposible to happen.

@larryi said that in the Vector ( unipivot design. ) / SME tonearms to much damping and sound becomes lifeless/dull.

Now, he posted an additional example about with the Symposium items but both examples in true can't tell us that are overdampening in here but the other way around and let me explain it:

I'm totally convinced that we can't overdamp any audio item ( of course that unipivots that use silicon at the pivot can be overdamped when that damping impede the bearing function/movements. ) under normal circumstances.
We are accustomed to those " beningn/good " resonances @timeltel ( btw, welcome back. ) spoke but exist no real " good/welcomed " resonances.
 Any vibrations/resonances in more or less way always degrade the audio signal information that was recorded in those LP grooves. 
We want that what the cartridge pick-up down there be only music information something impossible to achieve. So next down " step " is to mantain those " resonances " at minimum and this includes the " good " ones.

I don't want to tolerate any audio signal degradation for whatever reasons that degradation comes and that's why damping is always welcomed. The Rock example is very good one as is too the WT one.

Sometime ago in other thread a gentleman posted that he did not like it the after market AT hold-down LP ( pump. ) because it puts the sound with the same atributes larry told us: lifeless and dull. For he these were a bad thing when in reality is a good thing because is reducing resonances/vibrations/degradation/distortions.

Overall problem with all those 3 damping examples is that we are accustomed to very high " resonances "  that we like it because too many time living with but this fact does not means is rigth because is wrong.

That's why I always say that the important issue is not what we like it but how should be what we need to listen.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Thank you all for your continued input; it's very informative. 

It appears then that a happy medium is key...??