Thiel 2.3 vs 2.4 the real difference

"I have read about 8-10 magazine/web writeups and it has been highly praised."

Name one of those media outlets that ever said anything negative about any Thiel speaker or any product they reviewed.

Bunkeromantik - aren't you the guy who asked me about my SimAudio W5 with my Thiels CS2.3? I can't speak for your listening room but in my room there is definitely a large suckout at about 3-4khz, the presence region. But the suckout is not as awful as the Stereophile measurements would suggest. This is according to the measurements taken from my Tact RCS. I've made a lot of changes to my system to accomodate some of the weaknesses I percieved in my system. The Tact RCS smoothed out the in-room response, correcting some lumpiness in the bass and filling in the suckout at 3-4khz. Changing my source transport gave me all the dynamic range I can stand. Changing my preamp gave me all the speed, tone, and fullness of sound that I desired. Now the sound is sometimes even a little fuller than I prefer but with all the top end extension and air than I require. Did I mention that my system can make cymbals shimmer like nobody's business.

A couple years ago I started a agon thread 'speakers that sounds like thiels on steroids' because I wanted a speaker with more dynamic range. Well I can happily say that I found that speaker and it is the same Thiels that I always had. My point is that there really was nothing seriously wrong with my speakers. All the changes made to my system were in other parts of the chain and the Thiels transparency rewarded my efforts by by letting the music shine through.

The only thing my system can't do yet is truthfully reproduce a drum kit. That is next when I add Thiel's subwoofer system.

Bunkeromantik - I think you are already on the right track in upgrading your components. It isn't clear that a suckout exists in your system. But if it is then it may still be there in the cs2.4's. I think the suckout is because of the mechanical crossover thiel uses in their midrange. I would strongly suggest Tact RCS or a similar product. It'll be less expensive than a new pair of speakers and more effective too.

Cinematic_systems
"Name one of those media outlets that ever said anything negative about any Thiel speaker or any product they reviewed."

Oh come on. While reviews seldom trash a product you can tell when they really like a product vs just saying it is pretty good. The Thiel CS 2.3 reviews have been raves and some even mention the tendancy toward brightness and need for great care in setup. We are getting no where. You hate the speaker and loads of people don't. Let's move on.

Tim

Cinematic Systems, could you describe the measurement technique used to find that "the CS2.3's are +10dB by the time they get to 20khz and +15 to 18 dB from 1 khz depending on the individual speaker" ? Were these your personal findings, etc.?

McTeague the question is again, should I upgrade? HELL YES!, just like the last thread. Defend your choice all you want,

Let's not forget the 100 or so people I witnessed laughing or giving me that look like they stepped in something after listening to the CS2.3. Actually most people hated that speaker and having to demo it hundreds of times over three years and moving it around to get it to "sound right". You represent the miniscule minority that bought the CS2.3.

Bufus, the measurements were done properly no worries, the speaker has a peak in the treble, this was constantly addressed by Thiel in the development of the concentric driver. Some upgrades were not announced or offerred as such. Funny thing is none of you guys ever measured the speaker so its not like you have data to the contrary just some supposition that I did something wrong. Its a bad speaker with many problems, CS2.4 corrects them all. My whole point buyer beware.