What percentage of audiophiles use a sub ?

Learsfool brings up a good point about just how low in the bass frequencies a person needs to go to achieve high fidelity sound. Reading several articles online suggests that the range of 40-14,000 Hz is sufficient, with one article stating "the reproduction of orchestral music with perfect fidelity requires a frequency range of 40 to 14,000 cycles . . ."

Age and hearing can be another factor. One article said that 50 Hz to 15 KHz used to be considered the range of human hearing and was a standard for hi-fi reproduction. The article goes on to say that the range of human hearing is now considered to range from 20 Hz to 20 KHz; "however once out of the first flush of youth we practically have a hearing range of ~50Hz to around 15/16KHz (G#1 to C10/C10#)."

A reviewer of the Rega R7 had this to say about bass frequencies and room interraction:

"34-years’ experience in the audio world have taught me that the most common system building error is mismatching the speaker to the room. Place a mini-monitor in too large a room and you get the bass-shy “squawk box” syndrome. Far more common in the US is buying a speaker whose bass response is more than the room can handle, resulting in various manifestations of boom, thud, and rhinocerine mud-wallowing. It’s more than a simple matter of room dimensions and overall volume: wall and floor construction also play a crucial role. It’s been my general experience that if you can get clear and tight response down to 40 Hz in-room, stop and count your blessings. And think very hard about pursuing response into the bottom octave. One is more likely to screw up everything achieved in the musically useful range of 40 Hz and above."

So my under-appreciation for subwoofers could stem from my choice of music (various forms of classical, acoustic jazz and bluegrass) and age (over 50) as well as any problems with system or room integration with the subwoofer-reinforced systems I've heard.

Two useful scenarios I see for using a powered sub:

1) handle the low end with smaller monitor speakers that do not do much below 50 hz or so.

2) provide greater flexibility for dealing with room acoustics and how that affects the low end in particular. Subs might be used to cover frequencies that full range speakers are capable of handling otherwise in this case in order to be able to fine tune the bass easier than dealing with alternate speaker placement, alternate equipment, room treatments, etc. Fewer subs are well suited for this scenario in that they must perform well at the lowest frequencies in order to add value over good full range speakers

Mapman's #2 appropriately addresses Lear's comment. The biggest impact of my subs - BY FAR - is the peak/dip between 70hz and 120hz. I use 2 DRC subs and bassbusters and the measured response of my sytem in this range went from +/-14db to +/- app 1.5 db. I assure you that this is audible.

As to lowest frequencies: My Rythmiks aren't particularly optimized for this range, but they still outperform any full range loudspeaker that I've heard. While Lear is right about the limited content way down there in the deepest bass - I've never measured response below 30hz on any recording I own, even though a FR sweep shows my system flat to 25hz - there is still a real audible impact on deepest bass. An oversized bass drum which has a fundemental around 50hz sounds different when the subs are on board. It's almost a spacial character in which the sound expands and "blooms" in a way that sounds much more natural than on full rangers. This might be due to the "clean up" higher in frequency, or it might be some other phenomenon.

I know that this isn't a particularly "granular" or technical analysis (and it certainly surprised me to experience it), but it does comport with the oft expressed belief that subs improve soundstage. IMHO, there really is an impact on low end info when good subs are deployed.

Bottom line: Despite the dearth of truly low end musical info, subs can significantly improve a music only 2 channel set-up. IME and IMHO.

Marty

Yes, also true that offloading bass to a separate powered sub provides potential for full range speakers to perform better in remaining range covered in many cases due to less demand on the speakers to cover a wider range and benefits now to amplifier driving the speaker now over a more limited range as well.

Mapman's #2 appropriately addresses Lear's comment. The biggest impact of my subs - BY FAR - is the peak/dip between 70hz and 120hz. I use 2 DRC subs and bassbusters and the measured response of my sytem in this range went from +/-14db to +/- app 1.5 db. I assure you that this is audible.

I'm in a discussion in another sub-centric thread and have been specifically addressing a consistent, room-generated dip/peak around 80hz(dip) that I've been battling for years with my room. Currently the two integrated subs in my speakers do not address it, nor has any speaker/sub combination (though I have not tried more than two subs at a time, which I think Duke is suggesting there). I was going to follow up some recent input there with this question: with such room-specific suckouts, will altering the position of the system in the room significantly alter where and whether that suckout occurs, or are they entirely independent of positioning? It seems to be more common than I was aware, and frequently in the low end of the music.

My experience goes along with Marty's comment that, though you may not hear it specifically (BOOMBOOMBOOM), having the fuller range does augment instruments and sound that live in the lower spectrum - music, especially the stuff in the lower octaves, certainly sounds different with the subs on vs having the subs off, even though it does not fall into the depths that define the limits of the sub/system.

More often than not (though, fortunately, not always), these days, I find live performances less than appealing in comparison to the intimacy that my system offers. Using live music as a sort of generic bar to achieve, therefore, makes no sense to me. Expecting to replicate a concert hall in your listening room is the stuff of huge, very expensive, speakers set up in larger rooms, moving a whole lot of air, and even then the experience falls short of the real thing in terms of shear scale (though the effect can definitely be breathtaking). Replicating "live" is the proverbial carrot on a stick attached to your head just out of reach. Yes, having a cello sound like a cello certainly does make sense, and in that case, a cello does sound more authentic to it's natural sound when (well-)augmented at the low end. Regarding the frequency range we can actually hear - there is also visceral impact that is not heard, especially in the low end. Those cues do go a long way in bringing the music home, as it were. Experiencing 28hz on headphones is not at all the same as experiencing the same in a room where the sounds wash over your body.