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Harley quote

Regarding two aftermarket power cables: "These differences in the shapes of the musical waveforms are far too small to see or measure with even the most sophisticated technology, yet we as listeners not only routinely discriminate such differences, we sometimes find musical meaning in these differences."

 Nonsense. Just because people claim to "routinely discriminate" differences doesn't mean it's true or they're right. Apparently many have witnessed UFOs but that doesn't mean they actually saw extraterrestrial visitors, does it? Some have seen/heard a deity speaking to them "routinely"; does that imply that they are surely communing with an unseen/unmeasurable spiritual force(s)? Can we not put a little more effort into confirmatory reality-testing first when "the most sophisticated technology" can find nothing in 2020? (Of course, speaker cables can measure differently as per here, here, even if not necessarily audible in many cases by the time we connect amp to speaker.)

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nonoise
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Hey I didn't bring religion in to this but to ignore quackery about the age of the earth or global floods is to ignore quackery about Qnon and ballot stuffing. There has been enough ignoring this kind of nonsense . We need to get out of the damn dark ages.
I feel the same way about certain political beliefs and look where it's always gotten us. On another note, I wonder just how long Admin will allow a religious debate/argument to continue in comparison to how long they let the political ones. I guess all it will take is one comment too many on a view that conflicts with Admin, which is what they did with politics.

Again, have fun and best of luck,
Nonoise


douglas_schroeder
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Allow me to attempt to return to our schedule...

I concur with Harley; his experience mirrors mine, as someone who builds hundreds of systems. I have had occasion to review and compare many cables.

My simple contribution to this thread is this; I believe that the only proper assessment of cables, as per manufacturer's intent, is to do so with entire sets. 

Further, I feel that comparison of fewer cables is of marginal help to the debate. I suggest that entire sets be compared, as this should reveal easily the distinction between them. 

Failing that, I do not see much hope of resolution on the measurements/perception question.   :) 
audio2design
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nonoise6,659 posts01-11-2021 7:46pmA person's religious beliefs and views should never be conflated with their, say, audio views.  To use that as some kind of proof that since one is questionable or suspect, the other might as well be is ridiculous.


I didn't go after someone's audio views based on their religious beliefs, but I may go after someone's lack of reading comprehension based on their posts.

Very clearly, I used it to illustrate how people often will let their beliefs, religion, audio, or otherwise dictate their perception of reality. Not reality, but their perception of it.


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I understand, but sometimes you just have to let some things go.
Myself, I'm going to try to stay away from contentious debates here and concentrate on the really serious stuff going down in recent days.

All the best,
Nonoise
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Real science ... even including the statement "we really don't know", which does not mean we will never know, just "we don't really know now".

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/12/marine-fossils-may-instead-represent-early-land-dwellers

Your good doctor just chooses to believe these things happened and happened recently. That he associates with the charlatan Ken Ham .... well that says it all.
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