Clearthinker, I think you are being a bit too harsh on theIf someone insult all a group of people indiscriminately for example : "audiophiles", it is truly wrong, and not very subtle...
englishman-in-newyork. He is just making generalizations that are more true about the individuals in this group than other groups excepting mahgister because I am not quite sure which group he fits into.
The reason is simple, nobody can describe this group, composed of too many people with complex experience and history, including musicians and even many engineers....Then insulting all an indefinite group speak more about who is the personn throwing insults than about those who are insulted...
Most people audiophiles or not, think that we listen to the sound coming from the audio system...Then they point to the importance of electronic design...It is not wrong at all for sure.... It is a half truth though, it miss the other part of reality: embeddings controls and acoustic especially....
Secondly, you are right about me....
I am an audiophile because of my listening experiments, but i am first a music lover and i think the opposite of the majority of audiophiles:
I listen the sound coming from my speakers/room/ears mainly....Not from the gear mainly....
This explain my position concerning the useless obsession to upgrade BEFORE embedding rightfully in their working dimensions, mechanically, electrically ands especially ACOUSTICALLY all the electronic designed pieces of gear....The urge to upgrade is re-inforced by marketing method from the engineering perspective in the audio community...
The basic history of electronic design is mature for the last 50 years... It is then easy to buy a good piece of electronic design at low cost...Out of the new hype ....
Myself I think against the "objectivist" and the kind of people who vouch ONLY for measurements like the anti-audiophiles that room/ears/speakers acoustic and psycho-acoustic science and ART are more important than electronical measurements of the gear to reach S.Q. nowadays... We are no more at the Marconi era...
For example room microphone connected to an electronical equalizer measurement are a secondary tool only an help, not the ONLY way to tune and fine tune a room for the speakers AND our ears at all...
That is my experience, not an opinion of an audiophile or the dogma of a non audiophile...
My experience is not based on soldering or computer driven dials evaluation, but on listening experiments then on acoustic art and Helmholtz mechanical method...
I dont reject measurements, but some of the uses which are promoted in some circle about what is audio and musical experience...
I dont reject the necessity and the importance of a very good piece of electrinical engineering design, i only say that nowadays it is easier to purchase one than to LEARN how to LISTEN acoustically speaking and also musically speaking...
In one scientific word: Timbre is not spectrum....Physical acoustic science is not psycho-acoustic scence...our ears are the missing and always present link between these 2 in audiophile experience...
Or in brief:
I always listen WITH my system or any other one , THROUGH the controlled and mechanically and psycho-activated room/speakers, i listen to the the "RECREATED acoustic translation" of a past lived event recorded and which become always an ACTUAL "different" acoustical event in my room or in any room anyway ...
Most people think the opposite:
They think they listen WITH their uncontrolled and passive room/speakers ,THROUGH their system the "magical" electronical "REPRODUCTION" of a lived PAST event, identical or almost to the original lived event....Because they imagine the recording microphones naively like a true memory not like a string of choices and TRADE-OFF which will modify the original performance anyway....