Amir and Blind Testing


Let me start by saying I like watching Amir from ASR, so please let’s not get harsh or the thread will be deleted. Many times, Amir has noted that when we’re inserting a new component in our system, our brains go into (to paraphrase) “analytical mode” and we start hearing imaginary improvements. He has reiterated this many times, saying that when he switched to an expensive cable he heard improvements, but when he switched back to the cheap one, he also heard improvements because the brain switches from “music enjoyment mode” to “analytical mode.” Following this logic, which I agree with, wouldn’t blind testing, or any A/B testing be compromised because our brains are always in analytical mode and therefore feeding us inaccurate data? Seems to me you need to relax for a few hours at least and listen to a variety of music before your brain can accurately assess whether something is an actual improvement.  Perhaps A/B testing is a strawman argument, because the human brain is not a spectrum analyzer.  We are too affected by our biases to come up with any valid data.  Maybe. 

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Great post teo_audio thanks...

Your post illustrate why i do what i do...

My Helmholtz "mechanical equalizer" with one hundred adjusted tubes resonators and diffusers tuned by my ears, use my ears not a microphone, and not some testing frequency but a large bandwidth spectral set which is called an instrument timbre or voice to guide me in the process of acoustic optimization..

This mechanical equalization work to optimize the room /speakers ---> relation and this grid of Helmhotz resonators and diffusers modify the pressure zones distribution in the room being a permament WORKING part of my room...

This mechanical equalizer is useful to fine tune the relation " from the room TO the speakers with my ears"...

 

But i can use also with it a useful tool to complement it : an electronical equalizer to fine tune the Speakers/room ---> relation this time...

Why?

Because with it i will fine tune the relation "from the speakers TO the room without my ears" using not instrument timbre for my ears, but a tested frequency for a microphone and using an integrated pink noise generator in the Sansui and an automatic equalization process....

Then the two process are complementary and add something the other CANNOT add ...

But unbeknowst to most people electronical equalization is not enough ALONE for helping our specific ears to recreate all acoustic factors like listener envelopment for example... And mechanical equalization so wonderful it is, is not "accurate" nor perfect but is like our imperfect ears are imperfect ...But imperfection is not a defect here it is the SPECIFIC  way our brain interpret sound experience FOR US Individually... We are all different ...

My dream now is buying this:

 

Only a mechanical equalizer  alone or only an electronical equalizer alone  is not enough to OPTIMIZE a small Speakers/ room/ears complex relation...

Acoustic is the sleeping princess all the pieces of gear are only the 7 working dwarves...Psycho-acoustic is the kissing Prince, and only him can awake the Princees...

 

The human ears is the gravific CENTER of acoustic...psycho-acoustic must rule over physical acoustic in music listening...then mechanical equalization and electronical equalization can be used at the same time to complement each other ... Correlation between subjective perception and objective measures is the WAY...

Not one without the other....

Gear brand name fetichists and "subjective" tasting fetichist are like measuring tool fetichists , the two groups negate or undermine the CORRELATION at the center of acoustic and psycho-acoustic relation which is the only HEART of audio experience...

 

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Should I just ignore that and look on the bright side of life, or drown in the koolaid?..... :P

Acoustic/psycho-acoustic is a single heart with 4 irreducible chambers:

 

Objective aspect of measurements...

Subjective aspects of measurements...

Objective perceptive evaluation ( collective consensus)

Subjective perceptive evaluation...

 

Not one of these chambers can be reduced to the other one...

Amir dont take  into account these 4 factors, only the playing with his measuring  tools matter for him, then all his disciples erase completely the two subjective factors...

 

 

The very, incredibly ironic thing about him and his "Audio Blind Testing: You're Doing It Wrong" video?  The fact that HE doesn't even do blind listening tests.  

 

The dude waxes on and on about how reviewers aren't reviewing speakers correctly because they aren't doing A/B tests and they aren't conducting blind tests.  But what does he do?  Sits a speaker in front of him and listens to it.  He does this while both seeing the speaker itself AND he even has already seen the data on the speaker.

 

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I can't take him or that video seriously.  How people aren't jumping down his throat about something so blatantly obvious and hypocritical just shows how scared anyone is to speak up on that forum.  It's sad, really.  

 

I'd rather he just perform his measurements and keep his chest-puffing out of it.  He's no better in this regard than the Michael Fremer(s) of the world.