Care to offer comparisons? Wilson, YG, Magico, Stenheim, Rockport, Audio Note

@audphile1

I can say that I have heard the Rockports powered by Boulder and the Stenheim’s powered by CH Precision ($58k integrated); I also heard two sets of Wilson speakers powered in one case by D’Agostino and in the other by Ayre.

In all cases, the speakers and equipment were like... a James Cameron movie. By that I mean they had tremendous dramatic punch and precision. Bass was punchy, tight, accurate, clean, and very definitely located. Mids and highs were detailed, right-sized, and cleanly arranged. Soundstage in all cases were wide enough, but no rooms which I heard these systems presented much depth -- or air.

That lack of depth, air, was missing for me. It is hard for me to relax with such speakers -- that’s why I probably went tot he James Cameron analogy. The sound systems were "riveting" the way a sci-fi movie is riveting. The way movie theater sound is riveting. But not like a lounge, a concert hall, a jazz club, a coffee house.

A lot of this likely has to do with the rooms I heard them in; all had a very great influence -- rooms always do -- so it’s hard to isolate from the total experience the speaker’s "innate" character. It’s possible (probable) these speakers could all sound much different. At the very least the systems involved were all very high quality solid state, so that helps. In some cases, more diffusion in the rooms would likely have changed something, but I'm pretty sure that the gear involved was to a certain extent, just doing the magic it does.

My tastes run pretty clearly to more efficient speakers and lower powered amps, especially tube amps, but I have yet to have a chance to hear very very good systems with that philosophy. I hope once Audio Note gear is a full part of one local shop's inventory I'll have a chance to hear that. Until then, I'm just trying to hear stuff that is ostensibly "top-notch" to at least establish some data-points about what that sound is like.

@hilde45 thanks for sharing your thoughts! Interesting observation.
It sounds like the systems you’ve auditioned were perhaps set up / geared more towards resolution and precision. I believe that can be changed by pairing these speakers with different amplification and or source, and even different cabling, to tune it more towards warmth and musicality. And to your point the room plays a huge role.
Many variables and most likely plenty of potential to change the sonic signature. 
 

@decooney @audphile1 

The question becomes, are there some speakers that no amp can do much to warm up? Are there limits to the kind of tone character an amp (or preamp) can affect with a given speaker?

@hilde45 i.e. if you read over the Axpona report here on the other Agon thread, you might note that well known amplifiers and well known speakers that sound warm and good were paired up, and reportedly did not sound good for unconfirmed reasons other than "seating" position, etc. There is more to it, lots of testing required, to find the right matching and setup it seems.

Yet in other rooms, at the exact same show and time apart within 30 minutes, the same pair of speakers sounded amazing in one room, and bad or not so inviting or engaging in an adjacent room down the hall. Why so? Room? Components used?

My local 53-year-in-business dealer obsesses with system setup and matching of amps, speakers, cabling, and fine tuning with sources like few I’ve seen before. Then we came home from shows on year, and go listen to his steps and wallah. Its there. I still tend to believe there is some real value in striking a balance with matching of components. I’ll never forget the 2019 show in NorCal. Two well-praised manufacturers got paired up in the same room and it sounded absolutely horrible to me. Everything about it sounded way off, was bummed for both Mfgs.

They had an idea, it did not work at all, did they test it before the show, maybe not.

Good matching is everything. Takes a lot of time, trial, and error to find it. Only way to know is to try different things, and why many members buy/sell/rotate gear as we see all of the time right here Agon. My .02 cents at least fwiw. Wishing all good luck on the journey and hopefully some good music listening along the way.