Trans Fi Salvation direct rim drive turntable


Hi A'goners, I've just bought this turntable, confident it'll be my last upgrade. The rest of my system is a Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage, EMM Labs CDSA SE cd player, Hovland HP200 pre/Radia power amps, Zu Definitions Mk 4 loudspeakers, so a pretty good way to listen to vinyl.

Over the years, since 1995 I've progressed from a Roksan Xerxes/Artemiz/Shiraz, via a Michell Orbe/SME V/Transfiguration Orpheus, finally ending up last week with my new Trans Fi Salvation/Trans Fi T3Pro Terminator/Zu modded Denon 103.

This turntable (£2500 UK price, approx $4000-$5000 US) is the brainchild of Vic, a retired dentist, who, fed up with the shortcomings of belt drive and traditionally-pivoted tone arms, literally from the ground up devised first the Terminator air bearing linear tracking tone arm (now in T3Pro guise as on my system), and now the direct rim drive Salvation turntable, a technology in direct opposition to the hegemony of belt drive we've come to accept from the '70s.

In summary, he has developed a motor that directly rim drives an oversize platter. The magic is that vibrations are drained away from the platter and hence stylus. So minimal rumble is transmitted, the weakness of Garrards/Lencos in the past. This is mated to a substantial slate plinth which does a great job of isolating the whole rig from external vibrations.

Where this differs from direct drive is that the torque applied is high enough to counteract stylus drag, but it is strictly analogue controlled ie no digital feedback applying constant micro speed control. Speed is set correctly, torque is sufficient, and speed stability is like a rock.

This is combined with his air bearing linear tracking arm, discussed on other threads.

So technical description over, how about how it sounds? Well, years ago I always assumed the overhang in bass when playing lps on my previous belt drive/pivoted arm tts, apparent as a benign artifact, was all part of the 'romance' of vinyl, esp. when compared to the dry, clinical sound of early cd. But in 2007 I acquired the EMM cd, which had a natural analogue sound playing silver discs, but none of this bass colouration. On studying the growing reemergence of idler/direct drive, and their superiority in maintaining speed stability, I agreed that the belt speed instability might be introducing this.

Two years ago I came across Vic, and now I can report that eliminating the belt for high torque rim drive has taken this whole artifact out of the equation. Whole layers of previously masked information like rhythm guitars are now present, treble information has abundant naturalness and decay, and bass, which appears to be less in quantity compared to belt, is actually more accurate with a real start-stop quality, much more like digital, and the real thing. The other positives are more linked to the arm, including uncanny tracking across the whole record side; I'm really not exaggerating in saying that the last few grooves at the end of an lp side are as solidly reproduced as the first. Music with strong dynamic contrasts are really served well by the Salvation, and I am shocked at how good this all is after trepidation that the sound might be hyperdetailed but too assertive etc. In fact music is reproduced with a relaxed incision, and a welcoming detailed transparency.

The amazing thing is that all of this is not in anyway at the expense of the natural warmth and tonal dimensionality that still puts vinyl way ahead of any digital (imho).

The only thing, and Vic would like this to be known, is that his creation is a cottage industry, and he can only produce limited numbers to order.

I'm happy to answer qs on it, as I really want our community to know about a possible world beating product at real world prices. My tech knowledge will be limited, but no problem discussing sound quality issues.

I'm not affiliated in anyway to the product, just sold my Orbe on ebay and bought this. Regards to all
spiritofmusic
Dear Lewn, I have never taken acid, not even in the wild seventies... I don´t need it. Music itself has been my nectar since little boy ;) And I have never before been so confident about my TT. The Salvation maglev simply nails it. This is the breakthrough in my system after all these years.
And you are absolutely right, now it´s time to celebrate !
I´ll have a drink on all magnificent Kenwood and all Salvation TTs. Cheers !

Excuse me clumsy English as it´s not my mother language. I´ll try to explain later the function of the Salvation maglev how I see it. It´s very hard, like Theory of Relativity. D

03-20-14: Richardkrebs
Lew.
I to was alarmed with an apparently locked bearing when I received a LO7D to upgrade.
There are small plastic targets on the motor coil side of the PCB. These prevent the rotor from contacting the coils when no platter is installed.

The idea is so outside the box and likely predates the current crop of magnetic de-loading bearings.
Not so out of the box as you claim. The motor must not be operated without the platter load or it can be damaged. It would be prudent to read the manufacturers advice in the L07D owners manual before tinkering with this TT.

The manufacturer also advises that the L07D has both mechanical and electrical brakes that are engaged or disengaged depending on the power and operating switches and the platter should not be rotated when the mechanical brakes are engaged or damage will occur.
Peter,
I would suggest, given the amount of intellectual interest you seem to have in this, and the number of turntables you now employ, that you purchase one. At the price I really do think, on the chance that it doesn't float your boat, you could find a buyer.
Of course there's some self interest here. It's thought here that you would be an extremely impartial evaluator and that's valuable to all of us audiophile nuts. What's more, you may find it a suitable, particularly on those opening and closing grooves.
As for myself, the approach of the last cut of an album gives me a dose of a~nervosa. I'm not living with that. I do like the skepticism and following questions you pose. Always smart to investigate the other side of the coin.
I would gladly provide you the opportunity to review the Trans~fi but being swamped at work keeps me close to home.
Warmest regards,
Dentdog
Dear Lewn, J.C. Verdier introduced La Platine 30+ years ago, right ? It´s maglev is basically the same as Vic´s, it´s vastly bigger and the spindle is fatter for a very heavy platter, it´s just a different implementation ? Also Kenwood/Clearaudio type hybrid bearing is available. Fine. We all understand that a perfect magnetically isolated spindle does not exist due to instability of the magnetic field in the horizontal plane.

Now this kind of maglev, both Verdier´s and Vic´s, is a true maglev. The inverted sleeve bearing is oiled, actually that thin oil layer separates the metallic/delrin/nylon surfaces. Please note that the vertical very strong magnetic field takes most of the weight. The spindle is touching its environment very slightly thru oil layer. The tolerances must be very small to achieve extreme smooth spinning though. And the spindle actually does not touch the pushings inside the spindle well, just oil layer. So La Platine started all this ? No wonder why so many Platine owners here in AudiogoN Universe are happy with the maglev as such. Hats off to Monsieur Verdier.
I´m glad you will buy a Salvation ;)
Dover.

What?
read my post again.
re LO7D
FYI, The mechanical brake acts on the platter itself.

With the platter removed, the sub platter raises up and contacts the plastic targets I mentioned. This is the apparently locked bearing that both Lew and I observed. The sub platter becomes free to rotate manually by gently pushing down on it.
Who said anything about powering the motor without the platter attached?

What the designers did with this TT is very cool indeed.