tube vs SS preamp


Several months ago I retired my SS power amp in favor of a Jolida 502P. Currently I'm using a Forte model F-44 SS preamp. I really like the change to tubes but now I'm questioning whether or not I should switch to a tube preamp as well. I would like to hear any feedback.
al2214
Milpai,
A tube preamp will not take out speakers if a tube fails.
A tube preamp has low output tubes and they last for years.
Just more audiophile paranoia! BTW there is no maintenance
required.
FWIW I think Schubert might mean that if a tube pre-amp malfunctions and outputs DC that it can cause the loss of a tweeter IF you are running a SS amp which can pass DC, or, perhaps, a transformerless tubed amp. But a SS pre-amp can pass DC so it is really a draw. It is highly unlikely to impossible if using a tubed amp with transformers or a SS amp which has built in protection.

Almarg, comments? Schubert, care to explain in detail?

Milpai, tubes in a pre can last anywhere from 2000 to 10000 hours depending on design and expectations. I agree with Yogiboy.
Hi Newbee,

I agree that a failure of either a tube or solid state preamp can conceivably destroy speakers. DC won't destroy tweeters, though, since the crossover network in the speaker would route it to the lowest frequency driver(s). Unless, that is, its onset is extremely fast, and it is extremely large, in which case I suppose it is possible that a transient at the instant of that onset could be fast enough and large enough to be routed to the tweeters and cause damage in that instant. But that seems very unlikely.

Also, most tube preamps will not be able to output DC since most of them have coupling capacitors at their outputs, and most of those that don't have coupling capacitors have transformer coupled outputs or some other means of DC protection instead.

A relevant anecdote: A few years ago I was listening to my system just after installing the VAC tube power amp I still use, which came with a brand new set of Chinese tubes. After about two hours of beautiful music-making, from one second to the next a huge outburst of continuous static suddenly erupted in one channel. I had the amp shut down within about four seconds, with no secondary damage occurring to either the speakers or the amp. I subsequently determined that a 6SN7 small signal tube in the amp had developed a short. It does seem very conceivable to me that that kind of high volume static, which an output transformer would (and in this case did) pass pretty much unimpeded, could destroy the tweeters in some speakers, especially if the user was not nearby and able to shut things down promptly. And depending also on the power capability of the amp.

In that case, as I say, the problem was a small signal tube in the amp, but the same thing could happen just as easily in a preamp.

In general I would agree with Schubert that the chances of a solid state preamp causing damage can be expected to be significantly lower vs. a tube preamp, but I have no particular feel for how much lower.

Best,

-- Al
There is very little danger of a tube preamp failure causing a large signal that would take out a speaker, particularly when the downstream amp is a low to medium powered tube amp. Damage is more likely with a solid state amp, particularly higher powered amps.

Tube linestages can be a bit more prone to non-life threatening noise issues than a solid state linestage, but, most of such issues can be cured rather easily by changing noisy tubes. As far as life expectancy is concerned, this is largely a matter of the design of the linestage. Most small signal tubes used in linestages have long expected lives and are usually run conservatively and will last a long time. However, there are some designs, such as those by Counterpoint and Audible Illusions that were run somewhat hot and needed relatively frequent tube changes.

I generally prefer an all-tube setup to one that is a hybrid. But, I have run solid state into tubes with pretty decent results. I have generally found the alternative hybrid setup--tube linestage into solid state amp--to be less predictable and consistent in result; it can work, but, there is a greater chance of the combination being a disappointment.
IT can happen anytime.

Amp will amplify whatever it is fed unless protection circuitry kicks in.

Tubes can have various issues. So can transistors. But tubes probably more often.

End result will vary case by case depending on circumstance and design.

So tubes are riskier, but not a big problem normally in well designed gear and with good quality tubes.