1.2k Output Impedance to 10k Input Impedance


I have a tube preamp with only single ended outs that does not have any output buffers and therefore a fairly high output impedance of 1.2k. My SS power amp has input impedances of 10k on RCA or 20k on XLR.

I have been advised by the designer of the preamp that anything lower than 50k or so will start loading down the line stage, so it would seem an imperfect pairing. My assumption is that at the very least I’d want to use the XLR inputs on the amp, as they present a 20k load to the preamp instead of the 10k vis the RCA inputs.

I have an RCA-XLR interconnect, but I’ve been told that simply using this will not result in a 20k load on the preamp and that the only way to accomplish this would be to use a passive transformer in line, such as the Jensen ISO-Max DM2-2RX.

For those that have experimented with these devices, do they result in any sonic degradation?

I'm wondering which might be the lesser evil – introducing an additional circuit and set of connections into the signal path via the DM2-2RX transformer, or running with a less than ideal impedance match between preamp and power amp. The answer is, of course, to try both and see, I'm just wondering if anyone has gone down this path before and what they found (heard).

Any inputs would be greatly appreciated.
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I use a Jenson transformer to very good effect. Works like a charm with no negative effects on sound. Only $200 new!
I have an Interocitor One aka Flex-Connect. It is made by SMC Audio and it is superb. I have the model that will step down the output because I have a high gain situation. It will accept rca or xlr on the input and will output rca or xlr, your choice. What's great about this? It can convert rca to xlr or xlr to rca and the amp sees a friendly impedance load. It works like a charm. I love it!!!
The preamp to amp relationship is the same as the amp-speaker one as far as source-load pairings go. Just as not all amps are created equal when driving speakers, so it is with preamps when driving amps. Nobody knows better than the preamp's designer what your unit's needs are for best performance, so I would heed his advice.

Now, depending on what the voltage output of the pre is and the sensitivity of your amp for full power, (as well as your speaker's efficiency) you might be able to use a step down line transformer to reduce the output z of the pre. If you were to use a transformer with say a 2.25:1 ratio, you'd be dropping the output impedance to 1200/(2.25^2) = 237Ohms, effectively making the amp's input z 42 times higher than the output z of the pre. This is about the same as if you were driving an amp with an input impedance of 50K from your existing RCA outputs. The trade-off here would be that max output voltage would drop 2.25 times bellow the current value, so if for example the max output of your pre is now 2V, it would drop to a maximum of 2/2.25=0.88V. If this is enough drive to push the power amp to full power then you're good.

For line transformers you could look at lundahl, Sowter and Intact Audio to name a few.
I have emailed you separately. I sold my Jensen and you want the PI model. I will tell you they work and work very well indeed. No loss of fidelity at all. You need to purchase a short run of xlr ic's of say 32 inches or less.

My system with this unit sounded better. Call Jensen and they may let you return it if it does not improve things.

Just get a set of Mogami xlr's for $40 and try it. I am confident you will be amazed.
@ Grannyring - yes, thanks for the email. i replied, though it seems as if my note might not have made it to you. i spoke to Jenson and was advised that the most appropriate unit for my needs would be the PC-2. it is a 4:1 ratio and therefore would satisfy the needs of both the preamp and poweramp - the preamp seeing a load of 34k ohms and the power amp 225 ohms. Specs are here: http://www.jensen-transformers.com/datashts/pc2xr.pdf

the PI model that you mention would result in a 23.5k ohm load on the preamp and 4.65k ohms on the amp, which if i'm understanding correctly, is less than ideal (ratio of 5:1). Specs are here: http://www.jensen-transformers.com/datashts/pi2xx.pdf

all that said, it's entirely possible i was misinformed by the tech at jensen - he did several times correct himself through the course of the conversation - or i simply misunderstood him.

the SMc Audio transformer is another very interesting option, similar i think, to the PC-2, though designed specifically for this application.