A civil discussion about the state of Audio Research


I invested considerable time yesterday expressing my thoughts as to the current state of Audio Research as a company from the standpoint of quality (positive) and customer service (negative) only to have the entire thread censored/deleted by the mods.
For the small subsection of this Country’s population that are home audio enthusiasts, Audio Research is an iconic brand. Moreso than any other company, AR was the torchbearer for tubes when the rest of the amp manufacturers were turning to solid state. Further, though there were a few duds here and there, I am hard-pressed to think of any other company that has made as many legendary models of amps and preamps that have withstood the test of time (imho only Krell, Spectral, and CJ come to mind and present era super-brands such as CH and DarTZeel lack the history necessary).
My point yesterday is that AR’s acquisition by a parent company has resulted in a dilution of brand identity-similar to when Volvo was acquired by Ford between ’99 and ’10 and suddenly cross pollination of parts and assembly took place. My second point is that unlike the car industry, audio is a niche industry and to refuse to interact with customers directly and to instead insist that the customer go through the local dealer is inexcusable. I think we would mostly agree that when one tries to call AT&T about one’s cable and internet service only to get a computer interface and then eventually a clueless third-party intermediary who barely speaks English in India, the entire experience is frustrating and inadequate. I have news (apparently) for the parent company of AR; the present system is not altogether different from getting a clueless intermediary in some remote country who can not really help you.
My local AD is not a top-notch audio salon. They don’t stock a single piece of AR gear in their showroom and primarily cater to home theater. They have one salesperson who has a history of owning AR gear and he only works part-time. More importantly, based on other accounts, I have no confidence that if I experience a catastrophic problem AR will treat me with respect and take care of me. I have heard nothing but the opposite. The human touch is gone. My local Devore dealer, a nationally respected one-man shop dealer-used to carry AR and thanks to several awful experiences since the take-over dropped AR and now sells VTL instead.
I am hoping that this thread results in a CIVIL and appropriate, mostly intelligent discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of AR and AR's future. If the mods wish to delete this post as well, fine, but I want a forum to post my concerns about AR and if this one won’t accommodate me, I will find another.
Again, for the record, I am the original owner of a Ref 6 and Ref 150SE and therefor have ~$30,000 invested in my amp and pre alone. A paltry sum by the standards of some, but not paltry to me.
128x128fsonicsmith
With ARC going to autobias, the tube matching issues will only be a problem for the existing user base. Everyone hears differently and prefers what they prefer. With this caveat, the kt150 has a superior sound signature to the 6550, kt88, kt90 and kt120. The shortcomings of each of those tubes have been overcome in the kt150. Let the flames begin....
I will again repeat, I want a civil and appropriate discussion. No flames here (from me) and hopefully none from anybody else. But then again, your post does smack of perhaps being a troll (-: 
I am in the camp that believes that sound signatures are inevitable and a good thing in moderation. I never much liked the KT120 but there are 6550's, KT88's and KT90's that have a subtle "glow within" quality in the midrange that imo the KT150's lack. I happen to enjoy a slightly burnished midrange added to human voice, saxophone, and stringed instruments. The KT150's are unexcelled in slam/dynamics, frequency extension, and neutrality. Which brings to mind, why pay for the expense of tubes if it is only going to sound like solid state? The Ref6 preamp, as I stated in the deleted thread, lends a holographic, wide open and 3D soundstage that I have never heard in any solid state pre. It is a bit artificial but I am happy to have it. 
On top of the KT150's solid state-like neutrality and expense, there is another glaring problem; only one manufacturer makes the tube and that manufacturer has demonstrated significant problems with quality control.  Perhaps not only will someone influential at ARC read this post but Mike Matthews as well., Wishful thinking. 
Rolling power tubes...those days are long gone. Companies evolve, old clients leave, new clients come on board...
ARC is a company trying to create state of the art product.  For audiophiles.  Not a dinosaur, not a museum.
fsonicsmith
Cleeds; did you not read my appeal for civility? To label a complete stranger with the patronizing term of "buyer’s remorse" is not only uncivil but it is incorrect in my case. I have owned my two ARC pieces for two years and am nothing but proud and happy to own them.
I don't know what could possibly be uncivil about raising your issue of buyer's remorse. While you now say you are "proud and happy," here's what you've previously written in this thread:
  ... current state of Audio Research as a company from the standpoint of quality (positive) and customer service (negative) ... AR’s acquisition by a parent company has resulted in a dilution of brand identity-similar to when Volvo was acquired by Ford between ’99 and ’10 and suddenly cross pollination of parts and assembly took place ... to refuse to interact with customers directly and to instead insist that the customer go through the local dealer is inexcusable ... the present system is not altogether different from getting a clueless intermediary in some remote country who can not really help you ... I have no confidence that if I experience a catastrophic problem AR will treat me with respect and take care of me. I have heard nothing but the opposite. The human touch is gone ...
That sure sounds like buyer's remorse to me. But I'm glad to see that you're "proud and happy" now.
The more i read the more sympathy i have for ARC.
 Some customers are just difficult
Gee, McIntosh bought Audio Research?  Maybe one of the engineers at AR will help the Mc guys and gals figure out how to make equipment that not only LOOKS good but also does not add to the reproduction of the music.

Nah, sorry for being an optimist.

As for AR customer service, I guess my theory of life today is, in fact, true:

There are so many people with so much disposable income that high-end companies of all products no longer need customers who ask questions, etc.  They sell everything they make and could care less about customers.  With 340 million Americans today and something like 2000 billionaires in the world, it isn't the same world it was when Bill started the company in 1970--@200 million Americans and a handful of billionaires.

If only HALF of the billionaires and their families buy "luxury" products, we are simply not needed any more.  Lamborghini only makes about 2000 cars a year and sells most of them in the USA at 200-400+K each.  I would guess, and it is only a guess, that these are NOT daily drivers for most owners, but you never know, right?  They could be the only car in the entire family.  Customer service is a philosophical business position tied to money.  Sorry, money ALWAYS wins no matter what.

For those of us fortunate enough to have met Mr. Johnson and sold his products in the '70's, re-read this for a refresher on expertise and inventor involvement:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/william-zane-johnson-19261502011

Today, $$ rules and everything else is not important, obviously.

Cheers!