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A full range speaker?

Many claim to be, but how many can handle a full orchestra’s range?

That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.

I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.

What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?

 I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
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mozartfan
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 something special when they add a subwoofer

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That **something special*** would just grate my nerves to no end. 
Each his own I guess.
I am after clean , high fidelity, not HT effects. 
mozartfan
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Here read CAREFULLY, , this excellent summary of Troels, on the distortion in the 800-2khz range and how he notes Dual W18's, **seem* to make bass that goes  lower than  specs on the paper..

Dual W18's move more air vs a  single W22 or W26. 
Bass has more of a  *punchiness*.

Troels also gives a  big thumbs up for the Cresendo. Why? 
One of the very few  dome tweets to hit 92db sensitivity.


http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/CNO-25-mkII.htm

mozartfan
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Many people have noticed something special when they add a subwoofer to their system and have remarked about it here. It seems to add more than just bass. People say things like it adds "air" or makes "everything else sound better." You can only hear at best down to 16 Hz. But you can feel right down to 1Hz if the pressure is high enough

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Agree with this excellent post. 

Troels mention this **air movement** volume as having the feel ofa  deeper bass than what is  actually on the graph. 
I'd rather have dual W22's than a  subwoofer. 

mozartfan
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That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between

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I've looked over every option from Seas and Scanspeak

Every woofer that goes below 30hz, has a  paper composite cone.
My hifi journey all began with paper woofers. I am trying to avoid this paper woofer resonances.
In my experience the magnesium material cones offer best dampening and cleanest upper bass fq's. 
The Scanspeaks offer a  deep bass kick, Seas Mag's superior upper bass/low mid fq's. 
mozartfan
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Note carefully what Troels say here

**The edge coated driver....but it does make things sound **better** than it ACTUALLY SHOULD,,,as is sometimes the case with drivers displaying significant linear distortion ,,,which can sometimes be SEDUCTIVE,,but none the less ,,,DISTORTED...
Vandersteens and countless others,, B&W.s , come to mind here.
**Yeah I’ll take em...** Get home,,WOW , love em,,,6 months later,,,haha,,1 years later,,,**maybe I should upgrade or change labs..** haha.
Eventually our old friend,,or should i say ,,fiend,,,, the Fatigue factor will come around.
happens all the time.
Why?
The Seduction factor got the best of ya.
Not once have I ever felt even the slightest faigue with the magnesium cone mids.
Purchased 2004, and believe it or not, had the Thors up for sale at $900, with new Millennium tweets.
man would that have been a major mistake...
More than likely when I recover from the **Vox Project** I will swap out a W18 for a W22.
Not sure if I;’ll go W22E001 or the new W22 Graphene.
have to look over magnet weight, lowest hz spec.

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/SEAS-W12CY006.htm
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