flat from 16 cycles [lower limit of 32' pipes on an organ] to beyond audibility [over 20k cycles]. bass that doesn't go down that far and that loudly is not going to properly reproduce the full scale of a large pipe organ or even a large symphony orchestra with full-sized bass drum/thunderdrum and concert contrabasses. you've got to be feeling those pants-flapping 32' contra bombarde pipes.
A full range speaker?
Many claim to be, but how many can handle a full orchestra’s range?
That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.
I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.
What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?
I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.
I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.
What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?
I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
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Omega speakers does an excellent job with their full-range drivers. They have several speakers they call "high output" in which two identical drivers are run but the second is cut off at 200hz so it only adds bass and low end and dynamics (improves efficiency too). Their 4.5-inch driver has great top end extension, is very fast and has a very wide image. Their Alnico driver has better bass, dynamics and excellent tone. Their 8-inch driver excels in dynamics. |
Full range,, hummm lets see, thinking it all over last night, early this morning. My best bang bet ~~Seas W26, Says Aluminum, but also has the fantastic Magnesium mixed in. we all HATE the almminum from the 80/s woofers. YUCKKK, but this is a compostie = acceptable. 20hz-1000 hz, simple xover, maybe just run it xoverless. Like a full range, not sure get with your Madisound tech geek. This wil be the lower chamber/sepaate from the above mid/high box. Easy cabinet, sealed, porter, front rear however you wish. There’s your bass. Now onto midrange. Seas W15CH002, yeah I know paper, but here we are not dealing with the issues present in woofer paper resonances. I chose this treated paper over the magnessum Hex neo, to bring in warmth /body in this 1000-3k critical range. Not sure, either one would work. I’d try the Nextel W15 1st, doesn’t work, try the magnesium W15 Hex Neo magnet On to Highs 3k-15k. Cresendo w/o a doubt. There is my BestBangBet for a true high fidelity full range. EDIT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, have to go back on the Nextel W15CH002. I much prefer the less warm W15CH002 magnesium, I know roels loves the Nextel, But I have to stay within the Magnesium family So Mids 800-3k will be carried by the W15CH002 Magnesium. Sens is low at 85db , that might be a issue. This is not the Neo Hex W15, this is the brother with the Ferrite magnet system. Still you get an idea how it voices,, GORGEOUSLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PEU80loDCQ |
This thread made me look at specs. Many speakers really do well down to 40Hz. I wonder if people overlook the -6dB tucked away in the specs of many speakers and subs. Big boxes make bass easily. But wait, we want a speaker that is full range. And we want one that has a nice look, a nice profile. Oops there goes the efficiency. Here come the monster amps. Once again I have to hear these relatively small boxes make 20 Hz. Oh I'm sorry. My two 10" subs will do 30 Hz at 105 dB. When I received my subs i asked what it took to get down to 20, he answered a box half the size of a refrigerator. |
daledeee1201 posts07-20-2021 8:38amThis thread made me look at specs. Many speakers really do well down to 40Hz. I wonder if people overlook the -6dB tucked away in the specs of many speakers and subs. Big boxes make bass easily. But wait, we want a speaker that is full range. And we want one that has a nice look, a nice profile. Oops there goes the efficiency. Here come the monster amps. Once again I have to hear these relatively small boxes make 20 Hz. Oh I'm sorry. My two 10" subs will do 30 Hz at 105 dB. When I received my subs i asked what it took to get down to 20, he answered a box half the size of a refrigerator. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahaha YOu NAILED it on the head, one hit of the hammer, putting the final nail on the 20hz-30hz coffin. I told everyone it was all a dream, some such elusive fools gold trippin... 20-30hz, do these fq's exist in some reality? Yes, Are these rareites contained in our music? NO HT movie/space age music, yes, But thats not music. Glad you post the truth. Half the size of a frig. No wonder Vox and AER has these massive ridiculous horn set ups. Here is the Cresendo in action female voice. WOW factor high. Blows the Millennium clean out its cowboy boots in a shootout. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP_CUbelIuY |
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