@mortzartfan
How many W18's?
Active or passive XO?
How many W18's?
Active or passive XO?
A full range speaker?
Many claim to be, but how many can handle a full orchestra’s range?
That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.
I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.
What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?
I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.
I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.
What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?
I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
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william53b OP159 posts07-30-2021 8:13am@mortzartfan How many W18’s? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dual, thats 2 per channel. sens is 86 db, very low, which is why Seas uses 2 per channel, They use the E001 and not the EX001. I would rather have the EX001 fora few $’s more, bigger magnet, = more kick in low bass. I guess they wanted a balance (E001 more recessed bass vs the EX001), competeing with the single Millennium tweet. Best bang speaker would be Dual W22 EX’s per channel, + a Crescendo = a Super Thor. The Crescendo is far superior to the old Seas Flagship the Millennium. For same price. I have a single Crescendo now, , so that project is on hold til I find cash for a second unit.. which i will be running with a 8.2 cap, = 3200hz. The W18’s roll off at say 1600hz So the 1600hz-3200hz will be carried by the davidLouis 4 inch wide band,,which rolls off at say 80ish hz and maybe like 10k-12khzish,,Not sure. But definetly has some highs. bass not bad for a lil 4 incher. Mids, all there, with vocals very accurate. hardly any coloration/distoryion,,so fatigue is never a issue (no resonances due to some treatment on the paper cone material, = does not have a paper composite sound, not at all. Its 91db. How it compares to its bigger brother the 6.5 incher,,will soon know late this week. when it arrives via Honk Kong seller. I am expecting alottt more bang out the 6.5,,as a 4 inch cone is very tiny = can’t really open up on bass. So here is the 4 in action, no tweeter and forgot to unplug one channel’s W18’s. Still you get a good idea of the voicing of this lil guy Wilson offers a $960k signature speaker,w hich clarly beats out this oil 4 inch wide band. However if I hear even the slightest coloration in any of Wislon’s mid range fq’s. Then I’ll have to say, this lil 4 inch beats Wislon in the fatigue category. This is the problem with any speaker trying to acheive all fq range, price no object. My tech friend has the Rat Shak Nova 7B’s with the paper composite cones, He loves his Noa 7B’ s stacked...I HATE anything paper, if its not treated with some coating. Even witha coati9ng it brings back old feelings from speakers of the 1970’s. A sound I wish to be as far away from as possible. Which is why I luckily went with magnesium, = Has no lower bass/lower mid resonances that I hear in paper. I believe Scanspeak in the Wilson’s are paper composite. And for this reason, I could never live with any of the Wilson line. I get the feeling *Been there done that** I do not need crystaline highs,,, deep rock solid bass. In the Wilson’s you get both. Thats not what I am after. My goal has been to try eliminate as much coloration as possible hopefully resulting in as close to zero fatigue as possible. I am getting closer and closer to this goal, with the DavidLouis 6.5 + Crescendo. The Crescendo Project is a ways off. Short on cash right now.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUYOwY8yNPc |
@mozartfan, Frankly I think a line array of the David Lewis' is all you would need. When you have one speaker that is that accurate and lushly pleasant sounding it is only a matter of having enough of them to fill in the bottom end. Surface area wise 10 of them would equal a 12” woofer, but I think that may be overkill as they have adequate bass at the volume you are playing them. |
A new pair of what I consider to be "Full Range" speakers is now in my system. Zu Omen Def MKII's. Down to 38 hz in my room, and 30 hz 3db down. This puts me on the cusp of not needing a sub, and whether I will bother with one remains to be seen, only time will tell. Well that and adding my Loki into the chain. If that fills out the bottom when needed, then I'll buy a Lokius from Schiit. But first I'll have to try a high current amp with them, before messing with their sonic signature. My Benchmark is amazingly transparent and more than enough power for these, and a good bass drum kick is a punch in the chest, and not just in the eardrum. |
Many claim to be, but how many can handle a full orchestra’s range?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is my best pic of any speaker other than DIY of course that can handle/voice full symphony orchestra in all its colors dynamics, with no coloration. Unlike Wilson's which in fact do have fatigue This Seas has zero fatigue. I know I own Seas. Zero fatigue. Wilson's although FR , have coloration of muddy grey's, in upper bass. https://www.ebay.com/itm/224515675545?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D2016... |
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