Any bad experience with wilson audio sasha w/p?

Regarding Wilson speakers and acoustic problems, I tend to disagree a bit
with Bo1972. Wilson dealers, while not experts, they know a bit more than the
average dealer about placing and setting up their speakers - as they are
trained to set up Wilson speakers. My experience with Wilson at show is that
they often sound at least above the average. They have a lot of bass, more
than enough details and have absolutely no problem to go loud. While I have
never wanted to buy a pair, I can understand why so many people buy them.

Ricred1, in case you are really interested in alternatives to Sasha, try to listen
TAD and Raidho speakers.

Kiddman, I fully agree with what you are saying. Very silly and unimaginative
marketing.

Bo1972,

Firstly, I have read this story of yours also on other threads. There really is no
need to continue to repeat it. Why not open a thread about Monitor Audio PL-
200 & PLW-15, Pass Labs, Onkyo and Audyssey Pro? Also, what other
speakers have you compared to Monitor Audio PL-200? Of course, I am
interested in comparisons done in your room between speakers optimized by
you using "your" set up procedure.

Secondly, comparing the sound stage and stereo image of a systems that has
been carefully optimized to the sound stage and stereo image of systems that
have not been properly optimized is meaningless. Especially since electronic
room correction systems improve significantly the sound stage, stereo
image and bass of a system. Moreover, I would argue that pin-point accuracy
and wide sound stage are certainly not the only things that are important,
timber accuracy is at least as important IMO.

Thirdly, I would be more than happy to visit your shop and listen to your
system and report back if things are so fantastic. Just let me know your
details, I live in the Netherlands too.

I think this thread is taken over by Bo1972 now! Let us not
bash Wilson but get back to Sasha.
As there are as so many Sasha in the 2nd hand market
completing with the older W/P models, we should compare
their pros and cons for new potential buyers. Imo, I favour
W/P 7,8, to the Sasha as they are easier to get better
results with less than perfect match-ups. All Wilson
speakers requires careful match-up but Sasha's requirement
is the most harsh. Let me explain, We all know W/P favours
tubes to sound best in the mid and high, W/P7 is harsh in
the highs but bass is easiest to drive. W/P 8 always have
too much bass no matters how hard you try. Sasha's bass can
be close to perfect but needs tons of current down low to
tame it. So, which amp has silky tube like highs/mids and
tons of current?? I think only a handful super-amps fits the
bill and $$$$!

"Kiddman, I fully agree with what you are saying. Very silly and unimaginative marketing."

Thanks, but this is not what Wilson says (they never say the old one was bad). It is what enthusiasts and press say: the old ones are fantastic, no faults mentioned, until the new ones come out, and then the true failts with the last ones are finally admitted. And all along, the faults have been generally the same. Unfortunately, the faults have always been in the harshness/brightness/hard to listen to/amusical areas.

It is truly amazing how many time this has been said about the previous iteration of Wilsons inclusing W/P and Maxx.

It goes (and has gone) something like this:

"Oh, but you should hear the 3, the last was so harsh".

Then when the 4 comes out, the same is said about the 3.

When the 5 comes out, the same is said about the 4.

It is an amazing phenomenon. I can't think of a company whose next model is time and time again so much better than the last model!
Kiddman (Answers | This Thread)

So TRUE that it's funny.

Ricred1, in case you are really interested in alternatives to Sasha, try to listen TAD and Raidho speakers.

You can't go wrong with TAD or Vivid IMO. Just got my TAD and off the bus.

Wenn I see the pictures here at audiogon of Wilson owners. I see most of them have a separate room and adjust it acousticly. Most clients I visit in the Netherlands had a normal living room were they used the Wilson speakers. Wilson should make a special speaker what would be less difficult to use in a living room.