and if you go one step further to tube based outboard playback electronics, the sound is even more mind blowing. I have a pair of MTR-15s and an 812.Originally hot rodded the stock electronics with better parts, made a really nice improvement. Then was over at a friends house who has an MTR-10, and had just added outboard playback electronics.......WOW, I was blown away, so ended up going that route. For those interested, not many options now for tube based playback electronics. Decware offers one, that sounds really good. Other option is to use a really good tube based phono stage and convert the RIAA EQ curve to NAB or IEC. One of decks uses an EAR 834 phono stage with the EQ changed from RIAA to NAB. Makes a great sounding tube playback preamp unit.