Are manufacturer AC cables good enough?

heaudio123

Why am I here cleeds? Partially Covid boredom, still working lots, but not in nearly as many meetings, and the work day never really ends ...

I didn't ask why you're here, but I respect the candor in your explanation.

... that is exactly what real scientists do. They quickly dismiss data that is not collected in a repeatable at least somewhat rigourous manner, they dismiss experiments that make no attempt to control for variable, etc.

Don't be silly. Real scientists actually conduct their own tests. They don't dismiss every listener's casual account with a wave of the hand while muttering about the lack scientific control yet making no effort to conduct their own inquiry, to their own standards. (To be fair, that may not fully apply to you, because I saw another post you made where you suggested acquiring some speakers to test.)

... maybe I am just here as a marketing exercise cleeds, you never know do you.

Oh no, you do sometimes know, and it's part of separating the wheat from the chaff on Audiogon. There are many people here who post under their real identities. And there are many others who are otherwise known, such as everyone buys and sells on this site. Not everyone is hunched anonymously over their keyboard.

Why are you here?

It's a hobby. I've been into music and electronics for as long as I can remember, and got into high end audio in the late '70s. I've been active on various sites going all the way back to Usenet and r.a.h-e., always under the same moniker. As Casey said, "You could look it up."

You should also ask this one why he changed his username from Atdavid and now posting under a different name. It's the same guy. Look at the timelines. Brand new member since February, zero purchase history, and identical "speech" to Atdavid. Same guy posting in Audiogon under questionable motives / agenda.

I take sound quality extremely seriously, but I'm not inclined toward drawing my sword whenever I come across an opinion I don't agree with.  I actually enjoy all the backbiting endemic to this site.  It's okay.  Blast away.  As long as you guys don't start dropping multi-ton mono amps on each other's toes.

Ahh, posts from atdavid.
Good times there.....

Don't be silly. Real scientists actually conduct their own tests. They don't dismiss every listener's casual account with a wave of the hand while muttering about the lack scientific control yet making no effort to conduct their own inquiry, to their own standards. (To be fair, that may not fully apply to you, because I saw another post you made where you suggested acquiring some speakers to test.)

I do conduct my own tests, and over the years, 100's in a wide range of large scale and small scale acoustics. Note that I used to do R&D on hearing aids and thing grew out from there on the acoustics and audio front.


Yes, I did say I was going to acquire some very specific speakers, namely something that is a line source. I don't have any in my current "inventory" as my wife calls it.  If you followed that whole thread, the reason for the line source speakers was line source speakers are less impacted by ceiling and floor reflections, though for my specific use in this case, they will just have fewer floor/ceiling reflections, hence the ear would not be presented with strong reflections from above and below that will be filtered and reflected by the upper torso and not filtered by the pinna except as would be a mainly forward sound, and hence, a line source speaker may be able to convey some "accurate" sense of height, if the recorded is made with a HATS (head and torso) simulator with a proper ear mold and microphone position. "Accurate" is in quotes because the effect would be different person to person, but creating some sense of height that bears some resemblance to the real world is an interesting proposition.

P.S. someone had a quote above (or maybe another thread), from Dr. Toole, one of the best known "scientists" in this field, that went along the lines of when someone communicates results of a NON blind test, he just nods like he is paying attention, while writing off anything they say.

I don't write off everything people say anecdotally. When people say they get a sense of height while listening, I don't discount that they actually do, heck I even know the reasons why, which is why I know that sense of height (based on current recording techniques), and listening, is artificial. It may be very good, but it is artificial, i.e. not indicative the recording space ... if there was even a recording "space".  When someone, Duke in this case, communicates in detail, a recording made in this way, played back on these specific (and unique in some ways) speakers, created this specific effect, then I sit up and take note, because there is enough information to possibly either recreate the experiment and/or simulate the conditions (or both).


When someone says I made this minuscule change and the results were night and day (and they almost seem to be either night and day, OR barely tell the difference), then the right response is skepticism. When people are not even willing to accept they may be letting their eyes fool them, well then skepticism turns into dismissal.