Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@tonywinga Danny refers to "flat earthers" in this video about the evidence he presented on cables. You can take a wild guess who the "flat earthers" are, I have no idea, naturally, but apparently it did not sit well with "some" people, hence the attacks on Danny from the person in this thread who obviously is defending the "flat earthers" :). 

 

amir_asr,

Speakers and headphones as you know have big differences from each other.

agreed

With other classes of devices, impairments get very small to non-existent.

Now that statement takes a leap of faith, no, a chasm of faith. Other classes of devices mean EVERYTHING except speakers and headphones? Please explain and if you have some evidence of this please post a link, don’t worry if you don’t have any of the accepted evidence here ,I doubt you’ll get banned.

I simply don’t have the time or resources for this type of testing.

Agreed, you are "financially independent" right? Outsource it or don’t do the review. Basically it reads like you are simply guesstimating these results and presenting them as fact. If I tried presenting such a sloppy review on ASR you know what happens? It rhymes with "tan". :)

 

As an example of comprehensive level of testing I do, and on topic of Danny and cables, here is a video review of his power cable:

 

@invalid 

How can anything new be invented if we already have perfection according to the measurements you guys often talk about. 

Putting aside once more the mischaracterization that my reviews are only measurements, some devices have achieved audible perfection, some have not.  state of the art DACs for example exceed the capabilities of our hearing even in the best case situations.  You might think you can hear my toilet flush from where you live, but you can't really.  Your hearing has limits so equipment only needs to get better than it which is the case now.

In other cases such as speakers and headphones, perfection is not remotely there.  

I think your disconnect is that you believe marketing hype that every day there is a new DAC that solves an audible problem. You know, what every audio company claims with out a single shred of proof.  No listening tests for example that demonstrates anything.

What is remarkable is that in audio, person after person comes to the defense of manufacturers, backing their marketing claims and throwing the poor consumer under the bus.  So much money is wasted because consumers have put their guard down completely and joined the other camp!

Show them independent testing and they scuff at that.  "Oh, this means nothing can be invented then."  Or yeh?  Why do you want something to be invented?  Why not spend your extra cash on music? Or a nice meal?  Or a vacation?  Must you go and waste it away on some new power cable? A DAC?  Why oh why?