Avalon Indra vs Sonus Faber Cremona M

I was recently talking to a friend, a Sonus Faber addicted. He loves the new Cremona, but still thinks there is some magic to the old Extremas that was rarely replicated in more recent SF speakers, Cremonas included. Sorry for going off-topic, but I thought I'd share this...anyone agrees or disagrees?

I guess before they were more on the warm side of neutral. The newer models tend to be more honest, more neutral. Maybe for some this means loss of magic, to others it means SF can finally be used with all kinds of music.

I agree with Hulskof.

I initially auditioned the previous Cremona floorstanders and was blown over by their warmth and engaging personality. I had compared them to a Verity Audio Fidelio and there was no contest. I preferred them even to the higher models of JM labs. They were "not boring".

I ended up with the new Cremona M's and they were definitely moer neutral, less "rumbly"...Maybe even more precise.

I went from a Harmon Kardon solid state receiver to a Shindo all tube setup and they became very seductive...

I have auditioned the Avalon Indras finally.

Here are my thoughts.

Firstly , I think that Sonus Faber may be a little generous with their sensitivity. The 87 db Indra feel louder than the Sonus faber by a healthy margin.

The cremona M is a great speaker;especially the beautiful midrange. It's bass, as always could be better but is more than adequate. It is coherent . It is slightly rolled off and pleasant. While listening, you feel the performance and do not appear to be too concerned with minor details.

The Avalon Indra feels like a veil is lifted off the Sonus Faber! Coherent, holographic, great bass extension. Sweet midrange as well; less "soft" than the Sonus Faber's. I would say that both are very good with personal preferences taking precedence over which is "better".
The musical experience is "more" It is not boring to listen too and yet is relaxing as well.

This is truly a marvelous speaker. For what it is worth, I listened to a Wilson Watt/Puppy 8 on a far more expensive system (Shindo and Brinkmann Balance) and my humble system with these speakers were more enjoyable and engaging. I think these speakers are "better" than the Wilsons.

I have heard Pro Ac's D80...not in the same league. I have also heard JM labs Electra 1027, 1037, and Altos. Dynaudio as well.

I have not heard anything in this league. WOW. I am sold. I am going to exchange my Cremona's for the Indras!

Bobby

Further update.

My wife, who over the last year has become annoyed with my researching of equipment, keeps saying "stupid sound system stuff".

Upon listening to the Indras, she said, they sound much better than the Sonus Faber's. Also, she said, "What, the Italians are lyng about audio equipment too?" (She is Italian from the same region as Sonus Fabe, and she was referring to the Brunello di Montalcino controversy).

So there you have it.

Bobby