Blu Ray over/under $

Your welcome db, and I agree that the Pioneer Elite looks sweet.
There is a spec pdf for that one on the Pioneer site.
Multi channel 192/24 BB dacs, 1080p ect.

Here is a link that works for the player/recordes

www.blu-ray.com/recorders/
And drives
www.blu-ray.com/drives/
And media
www.blu-ray.com/media/

with regard to the "average consumer"...yes they really do not care for high quality audio playback...or perhaps they have become so for a variety of reasons and certainly put much more value on flexibility, portability, storage and convenience....but the same may not be the case for video quality: if it is readily apparent which most seem to state with regard to HD then the adoption may much faster than e think and at least have much larger success than SACD, analogue LP, DVD-A.

We are full of expectations all the time. What will happen in the future will be about money. It does not matter if it has backing of big companies.... what matters is, after all the hooplaaaa blueray or HD DVD it will still defend of the market response. It does not matter what audiophiles decide.... it will be the decision of the mass market,that is where the money is.

Our economy is very different now, before you can develop a product and sell it in the market place and wallaaaa!! every body will pick it up. NOW it is what you call market base economy, where all the marketing decision will come from the users and not for the few. It is the needs of the market that those guys are looking and not what the manufacturers want to sell. In the Audiophile world..it is different.

Those companies did not developed that technology for us ... but for the mass market.

The reason why they have that at CES is for the mass market again not for us.... so I think what we have to do is wait and wait and wait and may be listen to our music instead of our equipments.

In response to the last post, CES is not solely for the mass market although it certainly makes the news. No sense going into this but suffice to say that the content is wide and varied with different intents and purposes.

Blu ray is just one aspect of many video technologies all in different stages of development that were presented at CES and in fact other shows as well. SED technology for example has no release date and no availability. Lots of floor space and talk at CES though.

Rysa4, CES is not for all but this is one of the big show out there that the manufacturers can have some feedback from almost all the segment of the market. From media to just technology savvy consumers but not really audiophiles. It is fun to see anyway. Thanks again Rysa4.