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ARC is indeed quite a bit of step up sonically from McIntosh, especially the ARC Reference series gears, but cost way more than McIntosh. Especially when it comes to preamps (both linestage & phonostage) and DAC & CD players. No comparison but the ARC cost way more than the McIntosh. ARC are more musical, more resolved and better overall and music had more presence with ARC.
The ARC Ref DAC & Ref cd player retail for around $25k each whereas McIntosh D100 DAC retails for only around $2500 to $3k and the McIntosh MCD600 CD/SACD player (McIntosh's flagship CD player) retails for only $6500.
They are simply not in the same league.
People who can't afford ARC (Audio Research) would probably end up buying McIntosh.
I have compared the two-stacked ARC Ref 10 linestage analog preamp ($30k) to the two-stacked McIntosh C1100 analog preamp ($15k) driving a pair of Sonus Faber Aida ll speakers. The ARC Ref 10 preamp is paired with 2 pairs of ARC Ref 750 SE vacuum tube monoblock amps ($70k/pair & $140k for both pairs) bi-amping the Sonus Faber Aida ll speakers. And the McIntosh C1100 preamp is paired with 2 pairs of McIntosh MC kw1.25 monoblock amps ($25k/pair & $50k for both pairs) bi-amping the Sonus Faber Aida ll speakers. No comparison. The ARC Reference series stacks way outperform the McIntosh stacks.
For comparison purposes we used the same digital front end source components and analog front end source components. For digital front end source components we had the DCS Vivaldi full four stacks (Vivaldi masterclock, Vivaldi upsampler, Vivaldi DAC, Vivaldi CD/SACD transport) with a Naim Core Reference music server used for storage. These DCS Vivaldi full stacks are cost-no-object design digital front end source components and the full stacks retail for $125k.
For analog front end source components we used a cost-no-object design Clearaudio Statement v2 turntable ($220k) with a Statement TT-1 tonearm ($20k), Statement Goldfinger cartridge ($16k), external discrete class A linear PSU for the turntable, and the D'Agostino Momentum phonostage pre ($28k). So both digital and analog front end source components are of high bar and should give the downstream components & speakers justice.
Performance wise the ARC Reference series stacks are true reference quality and cost-no-object design gears whereas McIntosh higher end series stacks are good but not reference quality nor cost-no-object design gears.
We also compared both the ARC Reference series stacks (Ref 10 + Ref 750 SE) & the McIntosh stacks (C1100 + MC kw1.25) against my own Naim Statement NAC S1 linestage analog preamp + Naim.Statement NAP S1 monoblock amps driving my Magico M6 speakers. These Naim Statement combo are cost-no-object design gears and retail for $270k total ($90k for the linestage analog preamp & $180k for the monoblock amps). For analog front end source components we used my Clearaudio Statement v2 turntable with a Statement TT1 tonearm, Statement Goldfinger cartridge and my D'Agostino Momentum phonostage pre.
As for digital front end we used my MSB Select ll DAC with a flagship Femto 33 clock, two mono powerbases (two mono power supply units) one feeding power to its digital side of it and the other feeds power to its analog audio stage. These MSB Select ll DAC stacks are also statement piece and cost-no-object design gears. And we used my Naim Core Reference music server as storage.
My Naim Statement preamp/power amps indeed did crush both ARC Reference series stacks & McIntosh stacks. The Naim Statement pieces are on another level. Myself personally coming from these Naim Statement gears and have been using these Naim Statement preamp/amps combo as my reference pieces and do judge other components from various different manufacturers based on the performances of my Naim Statement preamp/monoblock amps and haven't found anything at any price points that perform better than these Naim Statement pieces. However, having said that, I can easily live with those ARC Ref 10 linestage preamp + ARC Ref 750 SE monoblock amps eventhough it is a downgrade sonically from what I was accustomed to. But I don't think I can live and put up with those McIntosh stacks.
I'm not trying to ditch McIntosh but I have such high expectations and those ARC Reference series gears mentioned above could easily live up to my expectations although they don't perform on the same level as my Naim Statement gears.
ARC is indeed quite a bit of step up sonically from McIntosh, especially the ARC Reference series gears, but cost way more than McIntosh. Especially when it comes to preamps (both linestage & phonostage) and DAC & CD players. No comparison but the ARC cost way more than the McIntosh. ARC are more musical, more resolved and better overall and music had more presence with ARC.
The ARC Ref DAC & Ref cd player retail for around $25k each whereas McIntosh D100 DAC retails for only around $2500 to $3k and the McIntosh MCD600 CD/SACD player (McIntosh's flagship CD player) retails for only $6500.
They are simply not in the same league.
People who can't afford ARC (Audio Research) would probably end up buying McIntosh.
I have compared the two-stacked ARC Ref 10 linestage analog preamp ($30k) to the two-stacked McIntosh C1100 analog preamp ($15k) driving a pair of Sonus Faber Aida ll speakers. The ARC Ref 10 preamp is paired with 2 pairs of ARC Ref 750 SE vacuum tube monoblock amps ($70k/pair & $140k for both pairs) bi-amping the Sonus Faber Aida ll speakers. And the McIntosh C1100 preamp is paired with 2 pairs of McIntosh MC kw1.25 monoblock amps ($25k/pair & $50k for both pairs) bi-amping the Sonus Faber Aida ll speakers. No comparison. The ARC Reference series stacks way outperform the McIntosh stacks.
For comparison purposes we used the same digital front end source components and analog front end source components. For digital front end source components we had the DCS Vivaldi full four stacks (Vivaldi masterclock, Vivaldi upsampler, Vivaldi DAC, Vivaldi CD/SACD transport) with a Naim Core Reference music server used for storage. These DCS Vivaldi full stacks are cost-no-object design digital front end source components and the full stacks retail for $125k.
For analog front end source components we used a cost-no-object design Clearaudio Statement v2 turntable ($220k) with a Statement TT-1 tonearm ($20k), Statement Goldfinger cartridge ($16k), external discrete class A linear PSU for the turntable, and the D'Agostino Momentum phonostage pre ($28k). So both digital and analog front end source components are of high bar and should give the downstream components & speakers justice.
Performance wise the ARC Reference series stacks are true reference quality and cost-no-object design gears whereas McIntosh higher end series stacks are good but not reference quality nor cost-no-object design gears.
We also compared both the ARC Reference series stacks (Ref 10 + Ref 750 SE) & the McIntosh stacks (C1100 + MC kw1.25) against my own Naim Statement NAC S1 linestage analog preamp + Naim.Statement NAP S1 monoblock amps driving my Magico M6 speakers. These Naim Statement combo are cost-no-object design gears and retail for $270k total ($90k for the linestage analog preamp & $180k for the monoblock amps). For analog front end source components we used my Clearaudio Statement v2 turntable with a Statement TT1 tonearm, Statement Goldfinger cartridge and my D'Agostino Momentum phonostage pre.
As for digital front end we used my MSB Select ll DAC with a flagship Femto 33 clock, two mono powerbases (two mono power supply units) one feeding power to its digital side of it and the other feeds power to its analog audio stage. These MSB Select ll DAC stacks are also statement piece and cost-no-object design gears. And we used my Naim Core Reference music server as storage.
My Naim Statement preamp/power amps indeed did crush both ARC Reference series stacks & McIntosh stacks. The Naim Statement pieces are on another level. Myself personally coming from these Naim Statement gears and have been using these Naim Statement preamp/amps combo as my reference pieces and do judge other components from various different manufacturers based on the performances of my Naim Statement preamp/monoblock amps and haven't found anything at any price points that perform better than these Naim Statement pieces. However, having said that, I can easily live with those ARC Ref 10 linestage preamp + ARC Ref 750 SE monoblock amps eventhough it is a downgrade sonically from what I was accustomed to. But I don't think I can live and put up with those McIntosh stacks.
I'm not trying to ditch McIntosh but I have such high expectations and those ARC Reference series gears mentioned above could easily live up to my expectations although they don't perform on the same level as my Naim Statement gears.