Chasing 60 hz hum


I have an MC 7150 and an MC 7104 in my system, both plugged in to the same circuit on a power strip. The problem is that McIntosh went away from two prong and moved to 3 prong grounded wiring when the 7104 came along. I also moved from a C39 to an MX119 preamp, again the change from ungrounded to grounded. Having these units together on the same circuit produces a nice fat 60 Hz hum. To cure this, I used cheaters (3 to 2 adapters) on the 3 prong devices and this works.......mostly. Then, every few months the hum comes back and I go to the strip, wiggle one of the adapters a little bit and it stops....but this is a pretty goofy way to run an otherwise nice railroad....anyone got any ideas that are not radical (such as rewire the house!)
broimp
11-10-11: Kirkus
Actually I've experienced at least as many grounding-related problems with "double-insulated" equipment as those with safety grounds. This is because they still have leakage reactances in their power transformers, and thus AC-related currents will still flow between their chassis -- this will now be flowing wholly through the interconnect shields. And for unbalanced interconnects, the shield resistance then becomes the primary dictator of the attainable hum level.
Thanks, Kirk. Yes, that of course makes sense; thanks for pointing it out.
I wholly agree that most hum problems in audio equipment are caused by poor grounding choices inside the gear. The classic expose of this is an AES paper by Neil Muncy from the early 1990s, where he coins the term "the Pin 1 problem".
Your mention of Neil Muncy and the "pin 1 problem" brings to mind this excellent Rane paper on these issues, which was called to my attention a while back by member C1Ferrari (Sam). It too emphasizes that the grounding scheme in most equipment is poorly conceived. The paper's summary is worth highlighting:
If you are unable to do things correctly (i.e. use fully balanced wiring with shields tied to the chassis at the point of entry, or transformer isolate all unbalanced signals from balanced signals) then there is no guarantee that a hum free interconnect can be achieved, nor is there a definite scheme that will assure noise free operation in all configurations.
Best regards,
-- Al
11-10-11: Kirkus
Actually I've experienced at least as many grounding-related problems with "double-insulated" equipment as those with safety grounds. This is because they still have leakage reactances in their power transformers, and thus AC-related currents will still flow between their chassis -- this will now be flowing wholly through the interconnect shields. And for unbalanced interconnects, the shield resistance then becomes the primary dictator of the attainable hum level.
Al,

And in how many cases can the problem be blamed on the manufacture of equipment for not checking for the proper AC orientation of the primary winding of the transformer..... .
Jim
And in how many cases can the problem be blamed on the manufacture of equipment for not checking for the proper AC orientation of the primary winding of the transformer.....
Good question. I don't know the answer, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is 50% :-)

Best regards,
-- Al