coincident speakers do you have troubadors

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I have a pair of Coincident Troubass. They serve as the stands for my Digital Masters, kind of like the Wilson Puppies sitting under the WATTs. The Troubass perfectly match both the Troubador and Digital Master, and make the appropriate stand for either Coincident satellite.

Personally, I like them a great deal, even though they're not nearly as efficient as Israel claims. I can say they're down a few dB from the satellites. With my Digital Masters, they're not exactly necessary, but having that last octave on the bottom provides the music with its foundation, which adds a nice bit to the end result. I don't always have them hooked up, and when I don't, I can't say I couldn't live with the sound as is, it's good enough. They definitely fall into the camp of "a good sub is only noticed in its absence" type of subwoofer, as opposed to the wowie zowie, look at me type.

They mate well enough with moderate power tubes, though the 10" Peerless drivers in the large vented cabinets provide close to blow you back kind of bass with the right solid state amplification. I definitely feel the matching satellites are best served with transformer coupled tube amplifiers.

I don't mean to seem like the negative type, but you're going to be extraordinarily hard pressed to find a pair for sale (I wouldn't sell mine for 10X what I paid for them), let alone in whatever finish matches your Troubadors. I don't ever remember a pair of Troubass coming up for sale here on Audiogon. A person or two has told me they approached Israel about having a pair made, and they were refused, though I have no first hand experience with that. Should be an easy buck for him to make, unlike the Troubador or Digital Master, each of which have no parallel sides, as the cabinets are very simple and straightforward.

Good luck!

Thanks for the info and I have sent Isreal an E-mail asking for a pair but he must be to busy with his 8speakers to be bothered with the earlier stuff. My Troubadors are cherry high gloss and very pretty. My brother has been "playing" with builing speakers but these may be a bit over his head.I am running solid state but could go tube at anytime. What I have works well. Love the sound of the Troubadours for old, old, blues and jazz. Like some classic rock too but when I hear the old female vocals nothing sounds better. If you ever want to sell the Trubass keep me in mind although do not know if I could afford the 10x price. Ha Ha Thanks so much for you input as it helpfull. Lori

Thanks, but the statment I wouldn't sell them for 10X what I paid for them just means they're not for sale.

Apart from matching the veneer, building a Troubass would be relatively straightforward and simplistic for any cabinetmaker of moderate ability. The crossover is a simple cap/coil network, the driver is a 10" Peerless 1727XL (I believe it's the 1727 of the XL subwoofer driver line - I bought 4 of the driver which replaced them for a project of my own design), the wiring is off the shelf 12 AWG OFC, and a vent is obviously nothing exotic.

Unfortunately, Israel not getting back to you seems to be par for the course. He does himself more harm than help by doing little to support second, third, etc. owners of the product. I used to firmly believe that Coincident was going to become one of the legacy companies in this industry. The products and marque once had everything going for them - good construction, good looks, good sound, easily driven by low-moderately powered tube amplification in the early days of what was to become an enormous tube renaissance. All things considered, Coincident should have perhaps become the most successful loudspeaker company for the type of dedicated audiophile that you find on Audiogon, AudioAsylum, and AudioCircle. It's sad on a certain level, but he completely squandered the fortunes of the company by his dealings with both customers and dealers alike. Human nature is such that people are often their own worst enemies, and do more to sabotage their own success than any/every other factor combined.

Thanks again for your response and the info on designing the speakers. I will pass it on to my brother and see if he can make them for me.

Intresting to hear your opioion of Israel and his company. I had heard of others who got no response from him also. What a shame it is for a business person not to take care of their customers.

Good chatting with you.