Coping in an Age of Uncertainty

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I doubt if many here remember the mid 70s debacle over the CD4 and SQ4 formats. Both ended up being doomed. One is that RCA and Columbia could not come up with a decoding format that worked for both. So the four channel died a quick and I hope a painless death. Although I know many folks invested heavily at the time in this format. Only to have obsolete gear 18 months later.

As far as I am concerned SACD, DVD-A and other formats, is that I belive it is headed for the scrap yard as well. It will take sales in the millions to save either one. How many of us are going to repopulate or musical library with these additional formats? I won't go to that expense and the vast majority will not either. It is just not sensible to do so. The Redbook format has been with us since 1982 and was developed between Philips and Sony. I have every reason to belive that the Redbook format will continue for the fore see able future. Sure there are 18,20,22 and now 24 bit CDs on the market as well as HDCD, but the basic format remains Redbook.

I have two CD Players one a Classe CDP.5 player with HDCD and recently acquired an Arcam CD73 that is a 24 bit player. Very happy with both of them and is ceratinly all I need for the digital format.

If the SACD and DVD-A survives, which is highly doubtful at this point, it will be because the software and players have become more affordable. Players will in time, will only come down in price, if the demand for the software increases and the price of the software decreases. I just do not see that happening. Costs have to be recovered to do this, it will be cheaper for the manufactures to cut their losses and get out of the SACD, DVD-A arena.

I for one will stay with the current Redbook players I have and enjoy the music library I have amassed over the years. I see no reason to repopulate my library. Financially it just doesn't sense.

It's funny, I have been on the Hi-Rez bandwagon now for about 2 solid years. I have amassed about 150 SACD's and a handful of other Hi-Rez format discs. I can even be found at several points on this very thread saying GO! SACD GO! -- I think I am going to get off this ride though -- the vast majority of the SACD's I purchased were hybrids, and new music to me. But lately, I have made some comparisons between recently remastered redbook CD's and their SACD counterparts. I tell you, it is a really close call -- the quality of recent redbook remasters on decent equipmetn is so close to SACD that I would rather buy the redbook remaster because it is easier to find, costs a lot less, and sounds just as good.

Now, pure DSD recordings are incredible, and SACD's on a half way decent machine get you a level of sonic performance you would have to spend a lot more on a dedicated redbook CDP to acheive -- but, I think, if you can afford a pretty nice dedicated redbook CDP, you will get better quality from redbook CD's comparable to SACD. I think that is the direction I am going.

I am most likely the senior member to this thread. Been in this hobby since 1957, now 62 have seen a lot of things come and go in audio. So one can imagine the depth of my library in Vinyl, and CD at this point. Some years ago finally disposed of the Cassette and Reel to Reel tapes. Made a donation of them to a public library. Pardales is right about the remaster of Redbook CD issues. I have not found a clunker in the lot of them. One of the reasons purchased the Arcam CD Player is that it is a 24 bit machine and a lot of the remasters are coming out coded in 24 bit. They sound superb and are worth everyones attention to fill in their library.

I was in the entertainment business for years with CBS-Columbia and later TV Guide. Trust me on this guys SACD and DVD-A are going to have to make serious in roads to the consumer if either format is to survive. Frankly as I see it , it is just not in the cards. SACD and DVD-A has just to much red ink to overcome. Currently I do not see either format surviving much beyond 2007.

My opinion for what it is worth get a high quality CD Redbook player. Don't spend more than $2,000.00 for one either, then your buying something else than quality. Try to get one with the current 24 bit technology and you are set for a very long time. There are as of now some very good sub $1,000.00 players on the market that deserve merit.

Remember this hobby is about the music. more than it is about the gear. We all hear things differently. What sounds good to me, may not sound so good to you. Always pick the equipment that sounds the best to you, not to some sales person or review in some magazine. You will be living with it ,not them!

And ALWAYS - ALWAYS beware of the HYPE! It is there for a reason!! Have you noticed that all the really good gear out there never HYPE their products. Well that speaks volumes about that company and the people involved with it.

Do your home work and you won't get sucked in. Someone once said " A Fool and his money are Soon Parted" Don't let it be you.

I agree with you Ferrari. Even though i've had an SACD player and now own a universal machine, i don't think that SACD is going to make it. DVD-A has a better chance of the two, simply because it incorporates video along with the potential for better sonics. Either way, they are both pretty much dead formats that are still floating but could sink to the bottom at any given time. Given that the mass majority of new releases that come out aren't available on either format, the only ones to blame for this fiasco are the record companies themselves. Either Sony has something else up their sleeve or they should get their tech departments and music / video departments to work together a little more closely on the next "format" that they try to foist on us. Sean
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PS... While we're on the subject, what's the best source for SACD & DVD-A discs? I've purchased a few SACD's here and there, but really can't find much that i'm interested in. Still don't own any DVD-A's yet, although i have heard a couple of them.