Dealers hijacking the discussions

Grgr4blu you have an interesting take on our history.

As you have said you stopped working with me because i talked too much gee what a crime. Most of my actual clients liked to have conversations.

As per working with me you again mistake fact with fiction.

Unless you purchased what I recommended or had come to your home and brought products to you and worked together via a testing session we havent worked together.

As per knowledge i started in audio at age 5 first reel to reel and started with my own real system at 13, as well as building and modifying Dynacos with my dad as a teen.

You mistake age with wisdom.

As per trying to sell you something ie Ushers or Personas if it was at an audio show  that is called a presentation most people who go to shows know that.

Integrity if you have a problem with someones approach you tell them in a nice but constructive mannor which is what people who care about other people do.

Instead you run to Andy or do as you do here hide behind your Audiogon handle.

I dont even know who you actually are.

What is interesting to note is how

Yyzsantabarbara
Willgolf
Ricridi1 

Whom are people who have actually talked to me and in some cases bought stuff that they enjoyed all tell a different story.

Dave owner
Audio Doctor NJ

+1 jbatlanta:
One of my posts directed at Audiotroy was also deleted some time ago. He has overtaken Bo as the worst blowhard on Audiogon. Hey, right now there is a Persona thread where Dave is selling like mad with some fake supporters.  I was going to invade, but I just can't bring myself to act like him. 

Jb why don’t you take your own advice. If you can’t determine a sales pitch from a conversation maybe you should.

The only reason I mentioned that was due to Grgr4blu starting it.

My posts are hardly off topic, if it wasn’t a certain person adding fuel to the fire there would be no need to rebutt anyone. If you haven’t guessed you are following and exhibiting the same bad behavior you accuse us of.

There is a difference between a sales pitch and a presentation or a discussion.

If you are discussing cars and you are a Ford guy try illustrating a story or creating an ancedotal reference which doesn’t mention the car or the make or the model is nearly impossible especially if you are trying to make a point in a conversation with a Chevy guy.

Here is a nice ancedolatal example, as mentioned before.

You had a guy question if a 25+ years old speaker brand X was better than brand Y and for the same money as brand Y you said why don’t you try brand Z that is also the same price and brand Z is also a highly rated product that you can have brand new and you might like it more than brand Y. Wow that is both stupid and confusing.

You like Grgr4blu think everything is a sales pitch guess what many times it isn’t and as mentioned before WE HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN MOST OF THE TIME!

We can not sell Brand X into dealer Z’s territory so if we are offering advice for some people to look at certain products because they might actually like them better or be saving money.

This is how we all learn about new product and new ideas, I have learned about new brands and products because sometimes a poster mentioned something I never heard about.

Did I immediaetly cry foul because someone mentioned some other product that was not mentioned in the original post. Grow up.

This dealer bashing is just wrong, many dealers here are actually offering real advice and many have nothing to gain either.

If I could tell you how many pictures of systems I have seen here that have huge setup errors it would boggle your mind.

That is what you learn in 30+ years of doing this for a profession.

I have turned on a few speaker designers and manufacturers to a few of the setup products we routinely use and they were shocked at just how much better we got the room sounding. They were open minded enough to let me show them and demonstrate them.

It is how open we all are to learning, and by the way JB all of life is selling from your first date to your job, to how you ingriatiate yourself with others.

It is doubtful you would ever or could ever benefit from someone like me who plays with a lot of different products and tests out lots of intersting tweeks some of which make a huge difference because you in your mind would be this guy is trying to get me.

Quite frankly I don’t want to be bothered you are  not worth me selling you anything. 

Dave owner
Audio Doctor NJ

Okay my supporters are fake how many fake Wilson supporters or Vandersteen supporters or Lamm or ARC of whatever.

The reality is these people are real, and have found out that I really do know my stuff, and have either been to my store or have actually talked with me. 

Grow up Grgr4blu, you have the maturity of a nat. Please patronize the dealer friends you have whom I am sure will sell you the most expensive gear that they have because they know what is best for you and why don;'t you have the balls to let me know who you really are or are you just the coward you exhibit here.