All of you raise legitimate points in favor of the Orang. line of speakers. Of course it is really juvenile to get upset at a fellow enthusiast who doesnt share your opinions. What is ridiculous in calling into question the motives behind the criticism. Fred stepped out of line questioning the existence of these "friends" for which he sort of apologized. Lemon you are completely out of line suggesting that I have any agenda other than to voice my opinion about a speaker sound which I do not like. You all can find many posts regarding brands like Harbeth and similar I have posted in the past. It is perfectly acceptable, in polite society, to voice your opinion as some have done, but then others resort to personal attacks over something so trivial. Different tribes I guess.