Digital music questions


I'm somewhat new to hi res digital audio and I'm looking for some tips. I have been building my system and have purchased McIntosh c2700, which has a DAC built in, a 462 amp, and B&W 802d4s. Using Apple Music, I have been streaming music through a Macbook Pro via a USB cable to the DAC of the c2700 preamp.

The McIntosh preamp states the streaming quality is 44.1 kHz, which seem to be the low end of high-res streaming. I currently have so many subscriptions, including Sirius XM for the cars and Apple Music for my family, and more recently Nugs for concerts, (not to mention video subscriptions...seems it never ends), so I was hoping not to add another paid subscription.

That being said, am I leaving a lot on the table? Would a dedicated streamer sound a lot better than the Macbook Pro? Are there streamers without DACs, so I can use the McIntosh DAC without purchasing redundant equipment? I understand I cannot use Apple Music to get high res audio to the preamp, as they only provide it through Apple equipment at this time. Can I get a streamer that uses the DAC of the c2700 preamp? Finally, do I then need to add another subscription, such as Tidal or Qobuz, to get high res audio? 

Thanks....it's a lot of questions, but I'm sure someone here can help!

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I understand your desire. I have a McIntosh MX122 with a MC462 along with MS500 going into a pair of Focal Stella Utopia EVOs. Using Tidal and Apple. I find for my purposes the MS500 is a terrific buy. The sound is on the Tidal Master albums amazing. You would be hard pressed to find a better sound for the dollars spent. 
That being said a separate streamer and DAC would be preferred only if the rest of your system is up to the task of hearing the difference. While my system is very good, I tried some of the best streamers and DACs but the money didn’t sound better actually it sounded more or less the same.

now I did audition Boulder 3000 series combo going through the Wilson XVX and the difference was awesome and unforgettable. So now I am saving up a little over $300,000.00 to get such a system. But for now, my combo is hard to beat at its price point.

 

Noise and clock quality are basically immaterial when you’re using the USB interface as the transport…Also, I’m not sure why having a technical background is frowned upon.

@yage Because it tends to be “tech” guys, ASR disciples, and engineers that say noise, etc. is immaterial and it’s just 1s and 0s, which is completely ignorant and wrong headed — that’s why. To be clear, many tech, engineers, etc. are extremely valuable members who provide extremely valuable and useful insight here. Then there are the blind deniers/flat earthers like you who are largely frowned upon here because most of us have considerable personal experience that’s completely at odds with your assertions. People here tend to have enough listening experience to trust their own ears rather than blindly following scientific dogma. That’s why the likes of you and jasonbourne, etc. hold little to no weight here whatsoever and are indeed “frowned upon.” Comprende amigo?

BTW, this also begs the question, what streamer do you use and what have you compared it to?  That’d be interesting info. 

@thyname 

Statements which I made in my first post can be taken seriously because that is how digital data works. If the data received by the DAC's USB receiver from two different components is the same - whether it was sent by a $100 streamer or a $10k streamer -  then there's no difference between the two components. It is literally the same audio signal that's being communicated. This is fundamental to how digital systems function. The OP understood this concept and made a rational conclusion from that and I basically confirmed it.

 

In any case, this aspect of performance can (and has been) tested before. See this post in Audiophile Style. You can test your digital interfaces for yourself if you want to download the program (available here). This blog post is also a good reference on what errors in digital audio transmission sound like.

If the data received by the DAC’s USB receiver from two different components is the same - whether it was sent by a $100 streamer or a $10k streamer - then there’s no difference between the two components. It is literally the same audio signal that’s being communicated. This is fundamental to how digital systems function.

@yage Dogma City, population you. Do you seriously think a Bluesound Node sounds as good as the top streamers from the likes of Aurender, Innuos, Lumin, dCS, Wolf, etc., etc.? Seriously, do you really believe that???  And again I ask, what streamer are you using, or do you just stream from your computer because it apparently makes no difference anyway?

I have uploaded several hundreds CDs into my Mac computer (probably close to 1 TB) and I listen to those files by streaming from the Mac to a Marantz Streamer/DAC connected to my preamp.  

I would like to not use a computer for this.  Anyone have a suggestion on what to buy to store my files and stream without my computer?  I don't want to spend more than $1500.