@wag12wag12 I agree the Shunguang cv-181 are good tubes. I could have left my setup with the 4 in my DS but that’s the not reason why I got a tube preamp. I wanted to roll some tubes.
The combo I’ve settled on so far
input Ken Rad vt231 black glass
output Raytheon vt231 t-plates
rectifier Raytheon brown base
I found the KR to be similar to the Shunguang but more extended on the bottom and little more on top. The Raytheon add a little “sweetness” to the top end that made the whole setup more musical where it gets tour toe tapping and gives a you sense of a little boogie in your seat. The Raytheon brown base rectifier replace the Sylvania v126 and it smoothed the presentation. The Sylvania made me “anxious” and Raytheon calms everything down to enjoy the music.